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PostSubject: Could the presidential vote be done by mail?   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptySat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 am

Coronavirus 'worst-case scenario': Could the presidential vote be done by mail?
"In this extraordinary, unprecedented moment, there is an opportunity," says Michigan's secretary of state.
By Alex Seitz-Wald | NBC News

WASHINGTON — If the coronavirus pandemic continues to make in-person voting virtually impossible by November, conducting the 2020 presidential election largely by mail isn't out of the question.

Advocates say a massive expansion of vote-by-mail is technically feasible, but may require more time, money and political willpower than is available, with the $400 million included in Congress' new stimulus bill just the beginning of the need.

"In my view, with the right leadership and with the right amount of funding by the federal government, most states would be able to go to a vote-by-mail system for November — if we begin planning now,” said Jocelyn Benson, the secretary of state in Michigan, where vote-by-mail has exploded in popularity since voters there approved a referendum in 2018 to allow anyone to request a mail-in absentee ballot.

"In this extraordinary, unprecedented moment, there is an opportunity," Benson added.

An American presidential election has never been postponed or canceled, but a majority of poll workers are over the age of 60, a group at heightened risk for COVID-19, and health officials have discouraged crowds like the kind that are generally unavoidable at polling places.

"It's either going to be vote-by-mail or nothing if we have to deal with a worst-case scenario," Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who is sponsoring an emergency bill to expand vote-by-mail, told reporters on a conference call.

Others say vote-by-mail would have to be part of a suite of responses, such as extended early in-person voting with crowd controls and "curbside voting," which allows voters concerned about entering a polling place to return a ballot without leaving their car.

Epidemiologists say there’s no way of knowing how long the pandemic will last and warn that even if the virus retreats over the summer, it could return in a second wave in the fall as temperatures dip again, following the pattern of the Spanish Flu of 1918, potentially jeopardizing the most important expression of American democracy.

A growing list of states have responded by delaying upcoming primary elections and curbing or eliminating in-person voting, which could serve as a test run for November.

The Brennan Center for Justice estimates it would cost $2 billion to prepare the country for a national election, centered around a massive expansion of vote-by-mail, during the coronavirus. Advocates are disappointed by the $400 million in grants to states included in the stimulus package and say more will be needed.

But some Republicans are already chafing at what they see as attempts to nationalize vote-by-mail, calling it a dangerous incursion onto states' rights since states, not the federal government, are responsible for their own elections under the Constitution.


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Universal vote by mail would be the end of our republic as we know it. https://twitter.com/scotttparkinson/status/1242555770018947077

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Apparently the congressional negotiations continue to be slowed down by — Democrats insistence on universal vote by mail.

Democrats are using #COVID19 to try to rig elections. Have they no shame?!?

Others on the right, though, support vote-by-mail and warn it should not become a partisan issue.

There are those on the left who are warning that "Trump could try to cancel the election if we don't institute Vote By Mail," as Larry Cohen, a co-chair of Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign and head of the allied group Our Revolution, said in a fundraising email.

There's no central decision point to get to national vote-by-mail, since the Constitution puts each state in charge of its own elections.

"There is no one-size-fits-all approach, but instead a 50-state solution," the head of the National Association of Secretaries of State wrote in an open-letter Tuesday. "In particular, states may increase their vote by mail presence, extend absentee mail ballot request deadlines, increase drive-up curbside voting, and/or expand absentee voting eligibility."

Instead, the 42 states that do not currently vote primarily by mail would have to work in parallel to adjust laws, start planning, hire vendors, set up central processing facilities and educate voters about the new system, while hoping the federal government helps foot the huge bill.

"Considering the time necessary to order and set up required equipment and other infrastructure, we believe a decision needs to be made by April 15 or sooner to make this happen in various states ahead of the November election," the National Vote at Home Institute, which advocates for voting-by-mail, wrote in new blueprint for states to massively scale up vote-by-mail by the general election.

Nearly 7-in-10 ballots cast west of Colorado are now cast by mail, according to the Vote at Home Institute, with five Western states voting entirely by mail and three more heading that way. But only 27 percent of ballots nationwide are cast via mail, leaving plenty of ground to make up.

The simplest solution might be for states to use current laws to dramatically expand mail voting by, for instance, mailing every voter an absentee ballot request form and a postage-paid return envelope.

That's what Republican Brad Raffensperger, the secretary of state of Georgia, where just 5 percent of voters cast their ballot by mail in the last two elections, plans to do ahead of his state's postponed May 19 primary, sending absentee ballot requests forms to an estimated 6.9 million people.

Nevada, another battleground state, and Rhode Island have already moved to conduct their rescheduled June primaries almost entirely by mail, while Ohio's governor and secretary of state, both Republicans, want to implement a postage-paid vote-by-mail election ahead of their state's rescheduled June 2 primary. Maryland and New Jersey plan to hold down-ballot elections scheduled throughout the next three months entirely by mail, and that could help pave the way for November.

West Virginia has added fear of the coronavirus as a valid excuse to vote absentee, while Indiana temporarily suspended the state's absentee voting requirements, allowing anyone to cast a ballot by mail in their primary.

Every state that isn't used to voting primarily by mail will have to prepare for a huge increase in volume, said Kim Wyman, the secretary of state in Washington and a Republican.

Washington has been conducting elections entirely by mail for several years, including its recent Democratic presidential primary election on March 10 while the state was rocked by the pandemic.

Wyman said she's been inundated with calls from colleagues in other states seeking advice.

"It started about two weeks ago, when states started realizing that the sheer volume of people it's going to take to stand up an election is going to be very difficult amidst this outbreak," she said.

"The first thing I say is people need to understand the context," she said. "I am probably the biggest champion of vote by mail in the country, but it took us five years to move from polling places to vote-by-mail."

Voters need to be told not only how to vote, but to expect that election nights— including the big one in November — could feel completely unlike anything they're used to.

Mailed ballots typically take much longer to count because, among other reasons, of the security measures needed to verify them without the voter present (it took almost a week for NBC News and other outlets to declare a winner in Washington, for instance).

"You’re going to need days, maybe weeks to process elections after a high-turnout election to process results," Wyman said. Counties in Washington have 20 days to finalize results and "they use every one of those days in our state," she added.

While voters and poll workers might be safe from the coronavirus if they can cast a ballot by mail, centralized ballot processing facilities could grind the count to a halt if one worker tests positive. And the system would depend on the U.S. Postal Service, which is under its own strains.

Critics on the right raise concerns about ballot security and voter fraud, warning it's more difficult to verify identity without voters showing up in person (most vote-by-mail systems depend on signature matching for security). And critics say mailed ballots create opportunities for bad actors to tamper with or destroy ballots before they're returned, or for people to coerce others to vote a certain way.

Civil rights advocates, too, while intrigued by the power of sending every voter a ballot, warn that moving the process beyond the watchful eye of poll workers can create opportunities for discrimination and coercion, for instance by domineering spouses or employers.

"I am deeply concerned about unchecked mass vote-by-mail in November if we're not mindful of the kinds of discrimination that we’ve seen in the past," said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the National Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

For instance, the group took Gwinnett County, Georgia, to court during the 2018 election when it discovered that absentee ballots were being rejected at much higher rates for black voters than white voters, Clarke said.

Voting at home can also be a challenge for non-English speakers or people who need help properly navigating the ballot, as well as for Native Americans living on reservations who don't have addresses.

And for some voters, such older African-Americans who remember a time before the Civil Rights movement, it can be difficult to trust that a ballot dropped in a mailbox will really be counted.

"I think it’s important that we work to get vote by mail right," Clarke said. "We will have to invest a lot of effort in educating voters to make them trust the system."

No matter what, the 2020 election will likely be a watershed moment in voting-by-mail. The practice was already on the rise and fears of the coronavirus are now pushing even more voters to take advantage of current laws, let alone expanded ones, which could overwhelm officials if they don't prepare.

In Wisconsin, for instance, which has resisted rescheduling its April 7 primary, election clerks report a shortage of envelopes due to a spike in demand for absentee ballots. As of Friday, some 380,000 Wisconsinites had requested absentee ballots — way up from the nearly 250,000 who asked for one during the 2016 presidential election.

"We're telling people that you’re going to see a surge in mail-ballots no matter what, so you need to prepare for it," said Audrey Kline, the policy director of the National Vote at Home Institute. "We're just trying to help states prepare for what we see as the coming tidal wave."
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PostSubject: Several States Expand Absentee Voting for Upcoming Elections   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptyMon Mar 30, 2020 2:42 am

Several states expand absentee voting for upcoming elections
Voting by mail may soon become the new normal in many states, and several are already getting a jump start with elections this spring.

In Georgia, every voter will receive an absentee ballot application form for the state's upcoming May 19 primary. Residents will have to return the application to receive either a Democratic or Republican primary ballot, and ballots must be received by election officials by primary day.

Both Michigan and West Virginia have announced similar plans to Georgia.

Maryland's April 28 special election to replace the late Rep. Elijah Cummings will be conducted by mail. The Maryland Board of Elections recommended to Gov. Larry Hogan, a Republican, that the state's June 2 primary also be held entirely by mail.

On Wednesday, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, a Democrat, announced that counties can choose to exclusively use absentee ballots for the state's June 2 primary.

The Democratic Parties in Alaska and Hawaii both canceled in-person voting and will rely exclusively on mail for their primaries. Delaware and Massachusetts announced that voters can request an absentee ballot by citing the COVID-19 outbreak. (In 17 states, voters are required to provide an excuse in order to receive an absentee ballot.)

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PostSubject: Re: Could the presidential vote be done by mail?   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptyMon Mar 30, 2020 6:37 am

Funny how just before this the various states that are up for grabs found liberal judges to stop the purging of dead voters from the voter roles.


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PostSubject: Devastating’ For the GOP If People Are Allowed To Vote By Mail   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptySat Apr 04, 2020 12:36 am

Georgia Republican: It would be ‘extremely devastating’ for the GOP if people are allowed to vote by mail

Calls to expand mail-in voting have grown as the COVID-19 pandemic has made waiting in long lines at polling places a potential health hazard.

Many Republicans, including President Donald Trump, have rejected the idea because they fear making it easier for people to vote will harm the GOP.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that Georgia State House Speaker David Ralston became the latest GOP official to warn about the perils that vote-by-mail initiatives would have on his party.

“This will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives in Georgia,” he said. “Every registered voter is going to get one of these. …
This will certainly drive up turnout.”

Trump earlier this week similarly told “Fox & Friends” that Democrats were pushing for initiatives that would generate
“levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”


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November can't come soon enough.

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PostSubject: Massachusetts is 35th State To Let Everyone Vote By Mail   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptySat Jul 11, 2020 10:46 pm

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Massachusetts is 35th state to let everyone vote by mail

Massachusetts to offer no-excuse absentee voting
Voting in Massachusetts just became a little bit easier and safer, thanks to a new law signed on Monday by Republican Gov. Charlie Baker.

Under the law, voters no longer need an excuse to vote by mail, CNN reported. In addition, every voter who is registered before July 1 will be mailed an application for an absentee ballot, and the state added several more early voting days in order to reduce crowds for those who want to vote in person.


Voters can also download an application to vote by mail.

Massachusetts joined 34 other states and Washington, D.C., in allowing no-excuse absentee voting, according to a tally kept by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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PostSubject: Re: Could the presidential vote be done by mail?   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptySun Jul 12, 2020 1:06 pm

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Coronavirus 'worst-case scenario': Could the presidential vote be done by mail?
"In this extraordinary, unprecedented moment, there is an opportunity," says Michigan's secretary of state.
By Alex Seitz-Wald | NBC News
Voter fraud is already rampant in all dem states, this would be the easiest way for Biden to win. He surely won't win the legitimate way. No way in hell will the dementia ridden asshat win without voter fraud help, and the DS knows this.
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PostSubject: Re: Could the presidential vote be done by mail?   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptySun Jul 12, 2020 4:30 pm


If there’s one tiny ray of sunshine in this pandemic for President Donald J. Trump, it’s the fact that he has one tiny sliver of hope to hang onto in his quest to be reelected and keep himself out of prison:

That people might be too scared to physically go out and vote, and he can spread lies about mail-in voting that will cause Republican legislatures across the country to do their best to suppress efforts to allow absentee ballots in large numbers or even nationwide.

In all honesty, if the election is anything that even resembles fair, Democrats should be handing Republicans their asses across the board.
After all, Trump is the least popular president in the history of polling, the Republicans in Congress are historically unpopular.

On Thursday, Michelle Obama took her first concrete step toward being a factor in the 2020 election. Her nonpartisan voting initiative, When We All Vote, which she founded months before the 2018 midterms, announced a coalition of 31 mayors across the country who will be brainstorming and sharing lessons and practices about how to increase voter registration and civic engagement.”

Whatever the odds were before, they can only improve by bringing in the big guns of Michelle and Barack Obama, who America still loves very much/Bigly!
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PostSubject: Re: Could the presidential vote be done by mail?   Could the presidential vote be done by mail? EmptyMon Jul 13, 2020 12:10 pm

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If there’s one tiny ray of sunshine in this pandemic for President Donald J. Trump,(/snip)

I cannot even with your idiocy Temple. Everything you said is straight from fake news, and I don't have the time or patience to rip your post apart piece by piece. Someday when I do have the time and patience, and energy...LOL, I will do just that, and I'll leave you out to drip dry in the cold, my OLD friend.
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