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The democrat party media is completely misleading the idiots who still watch it about what is happening in this case, they are intentionally inciting people to riot same as they did when career violent criminal George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose. The mainstream media and the top executives who own it are the true insurrectionists.
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Gaige was moving in for the kill shot, the larper playing revolutionary hero, but instead he meets reality. He's lucky that Rittenhouse didn't kill him rather than shoot his gun arm.
The issue with this trial like Chauvin's is 'politics'. Politics and that incredibly rediculous 'marcy's law' that enhances victim's rights, which is why the prosecution wants these rioters seen as victims rather than thugs and thug wannabes. Gaige will hopefully be charged with attempted murder.
The guy, Huber, smashing him with the skateboard could have killed Rittenhouse with a head blow so he put himself in harms way, another larper meets reality. Last but not least I hope that McGinnis's testimony puts paid to how Rosenbaum got shot because he grabbed the barrel of the rifle. He had already threatened to kill Rittenhouse who was less than half his age. Rosenbaum was a thug criminal looking for trouble and got his wish granted.
I hope there will be one stand-up juror that won't buy into the fear porn of the media as well as the threats and hangs the jury. Remember the judge can render a directed verdict even after the jury renders their verdict. I'm pulling for the kid as he had to be scared senseless with that mob chasing and attacking him with no choice but to defend himself.
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It's hilarious. All the witnesses the prosecution was calling trying to sink Rittenhouse are actually proving his innocence. You couldn't write a better story.
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Many of the prosecution's witnesses in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial suggested the teenager opened fire in self-defense Michelle Mark Tue, November 9, 2021, 3:43 PM
Prosecutors rested their homicide case against Kyle Rittenhouse on Tuesday.
Many of the witnesses they called made statements that supported Rittenhouse's self-defense claim.
The lone shooting survivor, Gaige Grosskreutz, even acknowledged he had pointed his gun at the teen.
Prosecutors in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial rested their case Tuesday after presenting more than 20 witnesses, many of whom explicitly or inadvertently made statements that supported the defense's self-defense case.
Rittenhouse has said he shot three men on August 25, 2020, because they each pursued him on the streets of downtown Kenosha. Rittenhouse is charged with fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, and injuring Gaige Grosskreutz, during that night's protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.
Most of the charges hinge upon whether the then-17-year-old reasonably feared for his life at the moment he pulled the trigger. According to many of the state's witnesses - including the only survivor of the shootings - Rittenhouse didn't pull the trigger until each of the men approached him and made threatening-looking movements.
The first man Rittenhouse shot, 36-year-old Rosenbaum, had chased Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a car dealership and lunged for the teenager's AR-15 rifle, according to Richie McGinniss, a videographer who was just feet behind the pair.
Many of the prosecution's witnesses described Rosenbaum's conduct that evening in colorful terms. Rosenbaum was "hyper-aggressive" and "aggravated," according to Ryan Balch, who said he was one of the armed civilians guarding local businesses alongside Rittenhouse that evening. Rosenbaum was "behaving erratically," Kenosha live-streamer Koerri Washington testified. Jason Lackowski, another armed civilian, described Rosenbaum as "a babbling idiot."
Even Rosenbaum's fiancee, Kariann Swart, testified that she had warned Rosenbaum not to go downtown that evening due to the civil unrest. She also testified about the medications Rosenbaum was taking for bipolar disorder.
Prosecutors repeatedly asked witnesses whether they had ever personally seen Rosenbaum hitting, punching, or kicking another person, or carrying or using weapons. The state's witnesses all agreed that they hadn't.
A key witness testified that Rosenbaum lunged for Rittenhouse's gun Balch and Lackowski said they saw Rosenbaum attempting to set fires, being restrained by other people, and using the N-word while shouting at armed men to "shoot me." Balch said Rosenbaum even threatened him and Rittenhouse, warning, "I catch any of you guys alone tonight, I'm going to fucking kill you."
McGinniss, the video director for the conservative news website The Daily Caller, testified that he witnessed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse that evening. McGinniss even performed a physical demonstration of Rosenbaum's movements, testifying that Rosenbaum adopted a "low" and "athletic" position, then lunged forward and reached toward the barrel of Rittenhouse's gun.
"It was very clear to me that he was reaching specifically for the weapon, because that's where his hands went," McGinniss said. "The rifle was lower than where [Rosenbaum's] hands were, so [Rosenbaum's] hands were going down… Kyle Rittenhouse dodged around it, and then leveled the weapon, and fired."
Dr. Douglas Kelley, a forensic pathologist who examined Rosenbaum's body, testified that Rosenbaum was shot four times at a close range within four feet. Kelley said the first shots went into Rosenbaum's groin, hand, and thigh while he faced forward, and the final two shots went into his head and back at a downward angle as he turned horizontally to Rittenhouse.
Prosecutors suggested that the angle of the final two shots meant that Rosenbaum was falling while he was shot, while Rittenhouse's attorneys argued that the angle of the shots signaled Rosenbaum was lunging at Rittenhouse. Kelley testified that both scenarios were possible.
Grosskreutz agreed that he had pointed his gun at Rittenhouse
The second man Rittenhouse shot, 26-year-old Huber, was seen on video swinging a skateboard at Rittenhouse shortly after the Rosenbaum shooting. A crowd of people had chased the teenager down Sheridan Road, and Rittenhouse at one point fell to the ground and aimed his rifle at the men running up to him.
Grosskreutz, the only man who survived being shot that night, is a trained EMT and paramedic who was volunteering and live-streaming in Kenosha. He testified that as he ran towards Rittenhouse, who was still lying on the ground, he saw two men approach the teenager first - one of whom was Huber.
"I'd seen an individual jump over the defendant, then heard two shots, and from there I saw another individual use a skateboard to hit the defendant," Grosskreutz said, referring to Huber. "From there, I heard another shot."
Grosskreutz testified that he believed he was running after an active shooter. He said that Rittenhouse made confusing comments to him as he initially ran past, then saw a group of people running after Rittenhouse and yelling that the teenager had just shot someone.
Grosskreutz said he drew his pistol from a holster concealed at the small of his back, then ran towards Rittenhouse, too. Videos and photos show Grosskreutz approaching Rittenhouse and briefly pausing to raise both hands in the air, then darting forward with the pistol still in his hand. Rittenhouse then opened fire, blowing off Grosskreutz's bicep.
Grosskreutz testified that he "was never trying to kill" Rittenhouse, and that he darted forward because he believed Rittenhouse was "re-racking" his weapon and refusing to accept Grosskreutz's surrender.
Upon cross-examination, Grosskreutz agreed that his gun had been pointed at Rittenhouse as the teenager opened fire.
"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun - now your hands down, pointed at him - that he fired, correct?" Rittenhouse attorney Corey Chirafisi said.
Watch Kyle Rittenhouse trial coverage in the video below.
KENOSHA, Wis. -- The murder case against Kyle Rittenhouse was thrown into jeopardy Wednesday when his lawyers asked for a mistrial over what appeared to be out-of-bounds questions asked of Rittenhouse by the chief prosecutor.
Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder did not immediately rule on the request but was clearly angry at the prosecution, telling Thomas Binger: "When you say that that you were acting in good faith, I don't believe that."
The startling turn came after Rittenhouse, in a high-stakes gamble, took the stand and testified that he was under attack when he shot three men during a night of turbulent protests in Kenosha. "I didn't do anything wrong. I defended myself," the 18-year-old said.
During cross-examination, Binger asked Rittenhouse about whether it was appropriate to use deadly force to protect property. The prosecutor also posed questions about Rittenhouse's silence after his arrest.
The jury was ushered out of the room, and the judge loudly and angrily accused Binger of pursuing an improper line of questioning and trying to introduce testimony that Schroeder earlier said he was inclined to prohibit.
Binger said he thought the door was open to his questions because of previous testimony and said he was acting in good faith, but the judge rejected that.
Rittenhouse attorney Mark Richards suggested Binger might be attempting to provoke a mistrial. The defense asked for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning that if it is granted, Rittenhouse cannot be retried in the shootings.
During his turn on the stand, Rittenhouse told the jury that one of the men cornered him and made a grab for his rifle, another hit him with a skateboard, and the third came at him with a gun of his own.
Rittenhouse sobbed so hard at one point that the judge declared a break. But otherwise, he was composed on the stand, even as he was being cross-examined aggressively.
Rittenhouse is on trial on charges of killing two men and wounding a third during unrest that erupted in the summer of 2020 over the wounding of a Black man by a white Kenosha police officer. He could get life in prison if convicted of the most serious charges against him.
Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time, went to Kenosha with an AR-style semi-automatic weapon and a medic bag in what the former police youth cadet said was an attempt to protect property after rioters had set fires and ransacked businesses on previous nights.
Rittenhouse testified he fatally shot Joseph Rosenbaum after Rosenbaum chased him and put his hand on the barrel of Rittenhouse's rifle. He said he then shot and killed Anthony Huber after Huber struck him in the neck with his skateboard and grabbed his gun.
When a third man, Gaige Grosskreutz, "lunges at me with his pistol pointed directly at my head," Rittenhouse shot him, too, wounding him.
"I didn't intend to kill them. I intended to stop the people who were attacking me," Rittenhouse said.
The case against Rittenhouse has divided Americans over whether he was a patriot taking a stand against lawlessness or a vigilante. Prosecutors have portrayed him as the instigator that night, while the defense has said he feared for his life, afraid that his gun was going to be taken away and used against him.
Rittenhouse's decision to testify carried certain risk - including the possibility of fierce cross-examination from prosecutors - and came despite doubts among some legal experts about the value of him taking the stand, given the apparent weaknesses in the state's case.
During the prosecution's side of the case, some of its own witnesses bolstered the young man's claim of self-defense.
As he began crying on the stand and appeared unable to speak, his mother, Wendy Rittenhouse, on a bench across the courtroom, sobbed loudly. Someone next to her put an arm around her. After the judge called a recess, jurors walked by Rittenhouse and looked on as he continued to cry.
Much of the testimony Wednesday was centered on the first shooting of the night, since it was Rosenbaum's death that set in motion that bloodshed that followed.
Rittenhouse said he was walking toward a car dealer's lot with a fire extinguisher to put out a blaze when he heard somebody scream, "Burn in hell!" He said he responded by saying, "Friendly, friendly, friendly!"
He said Rosenbaum was running at him from one side and another protester with a gun was in front of him, "and I was cornered." He said that was when he began to run. He said another protester, Joshua Ziminski, told Rosenbaum, "Get him and kill him."
Rittenhouse said he heard a gunshot directly behind him, and as he turned around, Rosenbaum was coming at him with his arms out in front. "I remember his hand on the barrel of my gun," Rittenhouse said.
"I shoot him," the defendant recounted. He also said he thought the object Rosenbaum threw during the chase - a plastic hospital bag - was a chain he had seen Rosenbaum carrying earlier.
Rittenhouse said he intended to help the wounded man but was in shock as someone else attended to him. Rittenhouse said he thought the "safest option" was to turn himself in to police who were nearby.
Asked by his lawyer why he didn't keep running away from Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse said: "There was no space for me to continue to run to."
Rittenhouse said that earlier that night, Rosenbaum was holding a chain and had twice threatened to kill him. Apologizing to the court for his language, Rittenhouse quoted Rosenbaum as saying: "I'm going to cut your (expletive) hearts out!"
As he first took the stand, Rittenhouse was asked by his attorney whether he came to Kenosha looking for trouble, and he responded no.
He testified that he saw videos of violence in downtown Kenosha on the day before the shootings, including a brick being thrown at a police officer's head and cars burning in a Car Source dealership lot. Rittenhouse said the Car Source owner "was happy we were there."
Geraldo Rivera smacks down Jeanine Pirro for Rittenhouse defense: 'A dopey kid with a hero complex'.
According to The Daily Beast, on Fox News Wednesday, Geraldo Rivera and Jeanine Pirro got into an argument over Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse, whose trial for fatally shooting two and wounding a third during police protests last year continued earlier in the day.
"'He was a good kid, he went there to clean up the graffiti on the buildings.' Pirro declared of Rittenhouse on The Five, leaving out the part where he brought along an AR-15 with him," reported Matt Wilstein. "She went on to describe him as an 'exemplary' witness, praising him for speaking 'clearly' and 'directly' and calling the prosecutor in the case 'so desperate, so out of control that he's even got the judge going through the roof in that courtroom.'"
Rivera, however, countered that Rittenhouse was a "dopey kid with a hero complex" who "shouldn't have been there" in the first place. Nonetheless, Rivera believed that Rittenhouse would likely be acquitted on murder charges.
"'First of all, I don't think he's a dopey kid!" Pirro shot back. "Just because he isn't Mr. Cool from New York City doesn't make him a dopey kid, OK? This kid practiced CPR training, he was a police explorer, he was a fire cadet."
"He's a 17-year-old guy, a kid that takes an AR-15 to a neighboring state!" Rivera retorted.
Rittenhouse surprised some observers by taking the stand today, where he appeared to burst out crying over the events that had occurred the night he shot the protesters.
One high-profile moment came when the prosecutor incurred the wrath of the judge, who shouted at him in open court in an extraordinary move, accusing him of stepping on Rittenhouse's Fifth Amendment rights and trying to sneak in evidence already ruled inadmissible.
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:58 am
Wife and another doc, mentioned-- during his outburst of emotions, he had no tears not even moist eyes.. He had his eyes being tightly squeezed when pretending his whatever it was.. and not one tear nor moist eyes. However, he did return completely in relaxed control. That just ain't right, nope.. Academe award, indeed..
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:34 am
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 1:57 pm
Temple wrote:
Wife and another doc, mentioned-- during his outburst of emotions, he had no tears not even moist eyes.. He had his eyes being tightly squeezed when pretending his whatever it was.. and not one tear nor moist eyes. However, he did return completely in relaxed control. That just ain't right, nope.. Academe award, indeed..
Dumb little bastid .. He coulda just cupped a buncha pepper or a chunk of onion in his hand..yanked some hairs from his nose maybe ..covered his face while in the throws of his simulated crying and jabbed his eyes with his thumb nails .. But ..hindsight, ya know?
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:29 pm
That link .. *sigh* ..could be to anywhere I've recently been .. It -should- be to an article about the judge in this case being threatened. ... No surprise there I guess
Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:36 pm
11-23-2021
Kyle Rittenhouse's mom blasted for 'tone-deaf' admission that her son would do it again
Neither Kyle Rittenhouse nor his family appears to have learned anything from the experience of being prosecuted for murder, according to CNN legal analyst Areva Martin.
Martin expressed outrage Saturday over comments made by Rittenhouse's mother, Wendy Rittenhouse, during an interview Thursday night with Fox News' Sean Hannity.
In response to a question from Hannity about whether her son "would go into a situation like that again," Wendy Rittenhouse said-
"With Kyle, I know him, and he probably would do it again, because that's the type of person he is. He's always wanted to help people, even as a little boy, that's all he wanted to do, is help people."
His own mother says he wants to do it again. I mean what?"
"Such a tone-deaf statement," Martin responded. "Here her son is on trial for killing two people, and mind you two unarmed men were shot and killed by her son, and she' s going on TV giving an interview when his life is hanging in the balance, and to say that he would do it again.
Shows no remorse for the lives that he took and the chaos that he created and the impact his actions have had on so many people that were involved in that shooting —
The night that he literally shot at four people, and landed with respect to three of them. I just think it was a totally inappropriate statement, and for many it shows that Kyle Rittenhouse and his family have not learned very much from this very serious situation."
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:30 pm
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His own mother says he wants to do it again
She didn't say he "_wants_ to do it again" ..although it was a really stupid answer to an easy question
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:48 pm
"Stupid" is about what one would expect from a mother who gives her teenage son an assault rifle, drives him across state lines, and drops him off in the middle of a riot.
That she's not also in jail shows you how fucked up the 'Murican criminal "justice" system really is.
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:44 pm
Vitriol wrote:
"Stupid" is about what one would expect from a mother who gives her teenage son an assault rifle, drives him across state lines, and drops him off in the middle of a riot.
From what i understand, someone gave him the rifle after he got there .. You say his Mother gave it to him?
....People overlook the fact that his Father and a bunch of his friends live there .. and although it's over state lines from where he lives, it could be a few minutes away ..
I've only had a chance to see a few clips of the trial and read a few articles, so i guess i missed the parts where his Mother gave him the rifle and brought him to the riot .. I would think the democrat owned networks would still be hollering that from the rooftops to have her arrested for being his accomplice ..
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:59 pm
Fuck the dumb shit.
If she had allowed him to skip school too many days in a semester she'd have local and possibly state agencies crawling up her ass. But taking or even just allowing him to go hunting protestors (let's be honest, that's exactly what he was doing) and... nothin'.
Half the people in this stupid country are insane and half of the remainder want to pretend like that's not even true. We deserve to live in a dystopian nightmare.
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:01 am
Vitriol wrote:
Fuck the dumb shit.
If she had allowed him to skip school too many days in a semester she'd have local and possibly state agencies crawling up her ass.
Skipping school wasn't/isn't the issue ..has nothing to do with anything
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But taking or even just allowing him to hunting protestors (let's be honest, that's exactly what he was doing) and... nothin'.
Nothin? .. He was arrested and charged with murder .. You can't blame the mother cuz you don't like how the trial has gone
...So you don't actually know that the mother "dropped him off at the riot" .. or even how he ended up there ..which leads me to assume that you don't know that she gave him the rifle either .. You just fabricated that whole scenario ..
So since we're "being honest" it was a violent *Riot* .. Those people weren't simply protesting ..and if he was 'hunting' them as you claim, it seems odd that he was being chased and attacked, as shown in the videos
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Half the people in this stupid country are insane and half of the remainder want to pretend like that's not even true. We deserve to live in a dystopian nightmare.
That's a pretty shitty outlook .. Apparently you hate the whole country as well as everyone in it .. Surely it's not this one incident that makes you so angry at it all .. Maybe Temple has gotten you aggravated somehow? ...haha
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:56 am
You and Temple have this much in common: You both like to intentionally misinterpret and go off on tangents.
Are you sure you're not the same person? LoL
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:46 am
Vitriol wrote:
You and Temple have this much in common: You both like to intentionally misinterpret and go off on tangents.
Are you sure you're not the same person? LoL
Misinterpret? ... You said the mother was stupid for giving the kid a rifle, driving him across state lines, and dropping him off in the middle of a riot .. None of which is based in any fact whatsoever .. You simply made it up
I honestly didn't know ..until your next post i realized You didn't know and that it was fabricated bullshit .. I called you on it so now you claim i misinterpreted and went off on a tangent. .. I'm pretty sure i have that in the right sequence
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Subject: Re: Grosskreutz MASSIVE ADMISSION confirms Kyle Rittenhouse Self-Defence Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:23 pm
11-15-2021
Fox News guest slams 'guilty' Kyle Rittenhouse for being unable to produce 'real tears' in courtroom.
Former U.S. Attorney Michael J. Moore told Fox News on Sunday that he expects Kyle Rittenhouse to be found guilty on some counts in his trial for the alleged intentional homicide of two people and wounding a third person.
"I think when you start talking about whether he was hit with a skateboard and that type of thing by one of the victims, that becomes a little bit more unbelievable, given that he had no injuries," Moore explained. "He had a very scripted examination. You know, that's tougher to believe too. And I don't think it's going to be lost on this jury that there weren't a lot of real -- what appeared to be at least -- tears coming out of a performance on the stand."
"You've got a guy who shouldn't have had an AR-15 walking through a crowded area he shouldn't have been in shooting people," he continued.
According to the former U.S. attorney, Rittenhouse created a problem by testifying in his own defense.
"His responses to me sounded much, much too scripted," he said. "Because his answers were trying to fit the law as opposed to telling his own story about what he was really feeling. And I thought that his emotional outburst seemed to be fake. It's hard to have a big emotional outburst and then jump right back into telling the law."
Moore added: "I think it's likely to be a guilty verdict at least on some of the counts. I think the charge where Rittenhouse says he was being hit with the skateboard, I think that's likely a conviction."
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