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Subject: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:38 am
Supreme Court Overrules Roe v. Wade
The Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade on Friday, holding in the Dobbs case that the Constitution does not include a right to abortion and returning the issue of abortion laws and regulations to state legislatures.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the Supreme Court in Friday’s 5-4 decision:
Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return the authority to the people and their elected representatives.
Roe was handed down in 1973 in a 7-2 decision, holding that the U.S. Constitution includes a constitutional right to abortion, despite the fact that abortion is not found in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution, and the nation went more than 180 years without ever noticing it existed. It has been one of the most divisive legal issues in American history.
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:17 am
Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, sends abortion back to the states Jon Ward·Chief National Correspondent, Yahoo News Fri, June 24, 2022, 8:23 AM·
Roe has fallen, and the fight over abortion in America will now rage on into a new and possibly even more polarizing and divisive chapter.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Friday, in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, that the Constitution does not guarantee a right to abortion, in one of the most momentous and controversial decisions of the past few decades.
The court’s conservative majority overturned the 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade by a vote of 6-3. Roe had stood as one of the most debated rulings in the court’s history: revered by many women’s rights advocates and reviled by conservatives who believe abortion kills a human life.
Under Roe and the court’s 1992 ruling in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, states had not been allowed to enact bans on most abortions until after a pregnancy had reached the threshold of fetal viability, when it is believed that an unborn child could survive outside the womb. That viability threshold is about 23 or 24 weeks.
The abortion issue will now be decided state by state. Abortion will not be outlawed across the country. Some states will now expand access to the procedure.
But in at least 15 states abortion will be illegal. Most of these states — across the South, the Midwest and the Mountain West — have “trigger” laws in place that will now ban the procedure. The new laws will take effect within a few days in some places, and within a month in others.
The 15 states that are now expected to enact an outright ban on abortion are Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.
Three other states — Georgia, Ohio and South Carolina — are likely to ban abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy. Two other states — Arizona and Florida — have passed 15-week bans this year.
That is a total of 20 states banning or limiting abortion within the first trimester or early in the second.
But others may join them. Iowa currently limits abortion after 22 weeks, and this month the state’s highest court said there is no right to abortion in Iowa’s Constitution. Republican lawmakers in the state are likely to try now to ban the procedure.
And so there are about 20 states, and the District of Columbia, where abortion is likely to remain widely available — and fairly well along into a pregnancy.
President Biden, a supporter of abortion rights, is limited in what he can do in response to the ruling. There are marginal changes he can make to expand access through the Food and Drug Administration and through Medicaid.
Conversely, the overall impact on abortion rates may not be as dramatic as anti-abortion activists might be hoping for, which is likely to lead to the next round of political skirmishes over the issue.
“Absolute bans in red states probably won’t have the effect that the right-to-life movement expects ... especially if blue states step up abortion funding, and especially given the difficulty of eliminating access to abortion medication,” wrote Mary Ziegler, a historian and attorney who has written five books about abortion law and politics, including “Dollars for Life,” which was released this month. “The question becomes what happens then.”
“Some conservative lawmakers will likely respond by trying to stop interstate travel for abortion or fighting for a nationwide ban — steps designed to eliminate abortion in progressive states,” she wrote.
Last December, when the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the Dobbs case, Ziegler made the point even more sharply: “The right-to-life movement is aiming for the recognition of personhood and the outlawing of every abortion, nationwide. Roe is just the beginning,” she said then.
However, Justice Brett Kavanaugh signaled during those arguments that he does not believe the court can enact a nationwide ban. Kavanaugh, who was confirmed to the court in 2018, described the state of Mississippi as arguing that “because the Constitution is neutral, that this court should be scrupulously neutral on the question of abortion.”
It was clear last December, however, that the court was likely to dramatically weaken abortion protections, and even overturn Roe. But there was some thought that the court might enact a nationwide ban at 15 weeks of pregnancy.
Then, in early May, a draft of the court’s opinion in Dobbs was leaked to a Politico reporter. Politico also reported that a majority of justices were prepared to rule that Roe and Casey were wrongly decided, and that states should decide the issue.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the leaked draft opinion that the Roe ruling was “egregiously wrong from the start.”
It was not known for sure, however, that the court’s ruling would emerge in the same form as the leaked draft.
Now that the court has thrown Roe out, the American debate may become even more contentious, as the legal and political battles shift to a kaleidoscope of state legislatures and courts.
“Don’t believe [the Supreme Court] when the justices say this will deescalate debate about abortion,” Ziegler wrote. “That doesn’t seem to be where this is headed.”
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:18 pm
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:43 pm
Author Celeste Headlee has composed a helpful list of quotes from the Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe today, and it's a reminder that Senate confirmation hearings are, at this point, just another institutionalized venue for lying. It should probably go without saying that Amy Coney Barrett was the most flagrant bullshitter.
___Amy Coney Barret in confirmation hearing: "Cases [like Roe] are so well settled that no political actors and no people seriously push for their overruling."
___Brett Kavanaugh in confirmation hearing: "[Roe] is an important precedent... [Roe and Casey] have been reaffirmed many times. Casey is precedent on precedent."
___Neil Gorsuch in confirmation hearing: "Roe v. Wade...is a precedent of SCOTUS. It has been reaffirmed...A good judge will consider it as precedent."
___Samuel Alito in confirmation hearing: "When someone becomes a judge, you really have to put aside the things that you did as a lawyer...I would approach the question with an open mind."
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oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:17 am
Why the hell are people so damn stupid?
You know what happened? The Supreme Court said "Instead of the federal government regulating abortion it's going to be up to the states".
That's it.
Naturally liberals will be up in arms about this because they get up in arms about anything. If they could stop foaming at the mouth for five minutes they would realize this is a good thing because it prevents the federal government from ever outlawing abortion nationwide.
Liberal states are never going to outlaw abortion so they'll still be able to kill all the babies they want. Some conservative states will outlaw it and any liberals living there will move back to a liberal state where they belong.
It's a non-issue but of course democrats and the media will hype the hell out of if just like January 6th because, of course, democrats have nothing else to campaign on.
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:22 pm
Yep .. Let the snot flyin' rants begin
They're already posting scenarios, like the 13 year old crippled girl, raped and impregnated by a madman and forced to carry the full term and give birth to a deformed retarded child she's unable to care for
... I don't think they comprehend the ruling or they refuse to accept it. The left is now referring to abortion as "health. care"
Will the govt continue to subsidize Planned Parenthood with mega million$ anually? .. Will the govt continue to pay for abortions? .. Those are the questions i have
Maybe this will prompt some people in some states to consider using some kinda contraceptives .. They've made it too easy to have abortions. Some women will get pregnant over and over and just continue to have abortions ...for free ..
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:05 pm
oliver clotheshoffe wrote:
Why the hell are people so damn stupid?
You know what happened? The Supreme Court said "Instead of the federal government regulating abortion it's going to be up to the states". That's it.
Oliver-- the states have always had control over abortions in their states.. Abortions have never been federal law, it's by states for the past 50 years. you are not informed of facts--- Abortions have never been federally regulated.
In the wake of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade
Alabama is the only state where performing an abortion of a viable fetus is punishable by life imprisonment.
In Mississippi, performing an abortion of a viable fetus is a felony punishable by one to 10 years in prison. If a patient dies during the procedure, the provider could be charged with murder.
(((no state has ever been able to imprison a person up to 15yrs in prison for having or giving an abortion. Or be charged with murder)))
In other states, including Indiana, Florida and Missouri, violating abortion laws is also considered a felony punishable by large fines and/or imprisonment for anywhere between one and 15 years.
In addition to criminally prosecuting a provider, some states like Kentucky and South Carolina also allow a patient getting an abortion to sue the provider if the procedure was conducted past the allowed time.
Violating abortion laws in some states — like Arizona, Arkansas and Ohio — amount to a misdemeanor with lower jail or prison terms.
Providers in many states also risk losing their medical licenses if they are convicted of an abortion-related crime.
(((It's just starting with the penalties a state can have and enforce)))
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:22 pm
Temple wrote:
Oliver-- the states have always had control over abortions in their states.. Abortions have never been federal law, it's by states for the past 50 years. you are not informed of facts--- Abortions have never been federally regulated.
Well then what the hell is everyone bitching about?
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:30 pm
Susan Collins SHOCKED Trump Justices Lied About Roe v. Wade.. Lies lies under oath.. Take them all off the bench-- Just to watch the starting 1min-30 seconds---
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:08 pm
Susan Collins has become an old hag. No one cares what she thinks.
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:02 pm
6-29-2022
Arizona AG says 1864 territorial ban on abortion is now law of the land.
Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich said Wednesday that a 158-year old Arizona law declaring that any woman or provider who facilitates a procedure that causes a miscarriage or abortion can face a prison sentence between two to five years is now in effect and effectively bans abortion in the state.
“Our office has concluded that the Arizona legislature has made its intentions clear regarding abortions laws,” Brnovich’s office said in a Tweeted out statement. “(The law) is back in effect and will not be repealed in 90 days by SB1164. We will soon be asking the court to vacate the injunction which was put in place following Roe v Wade in light of the Dobbs decision earlier this month.”
The law states that a “person who provides, supplies or administers” any “medicine, drugs or substance, or uses or employs any instrument or other means whatever, with intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of such woman, unless it is necessary to save her life, shall be punished by___ (imprisonment) in the state prison for not less than two years nor more than five years.”
The law has no exception for abortion in cases of rape or incest but interim Maricopa County Attorney Rachel Mitchell has said she is unlikely to prosecute cases of survivors of rape and incest. The law effectively bans abortion in the state of Arizona except for in cases where the woman’s life is in danger and some have read the law as a possible way to ban Plan B and inuterine devices due to its plain language. ___The law was first created by the first territorial Arizona legislature in 1864.
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:25 pm
I better make damn sure I don't get pregnant
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:37 pm
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:47 pm
Not enough pay---
2022-
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New York: Each of 58 local districts is allowed to set its own rates. The state only determines the maximum amounts it will reimburse to the local districts; there is no minimum. Maximum state aid rates for Metro/Upstate are $560 (average).
Utah: $468-$528
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Need to take in 5 foster children to get the big bucks ahaa!
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Subject: Re: ROE VS. WADE OVERTURNED BY SUPREME COURT Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:46 am
oliver clotheshoffe wrote:
I better make damn sure I don't get pregnant
Thumping your dummy is not considered "having sex".
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