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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptySun Sep 11, 2022 3:31 am

US marks 21st anniversary of 9/11 terror attacks
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JENNIFER PELTZ and KAREN MATTHEWS
Sat, September 10, 2022 at 11:30 PM

NEW YORK (AP) — Americans are remembering 9/11 with moments of silence, readings of victims' names, volunteer work and other tributes 21 years after the deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil.

Victims’ relatives and dignitaries will convene Sunday at the places where hijacked jets crashed on Sept. 11, 2001 — the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania.

Other communities around the country are marking the day with candlelight vigils, interfaith services and other commemorations. Some Americans are joining in volunteer projects on a day that is federally recognized as both Patriot Day and a National Day of Service and Remembrance.

The observances follow a fraught milestone anniversary last year. It came weeks after the chaotic and humbling end of the Afghanistan war that the U.S. launched in response to the attacks.

But if this Sept. 11 may be less of an inflection point, it remains a point for reflection on the attack that killed nearly 3,000 people, spurred a U.S. “war on terror” worldwide and reconfigured national security policy.

It also stirred — for a time — a sense of national pride and unity for many, while subjecting Muslim Americans to years of suspicion and bigotry and engendering debate over the balance between safety and civil liberties. In ways both subtle and plain, the aftermath of 9/11 ripples through American politics and public life to this day.

And the attacks have cast a long shadow into the personal lives of thousands of people who survived, responded or lost loved ones, friends and colleagues.

More than 70 of Sekou Siby's co-workers perished at Windows on the World, the restaurant atop the trade center's north tower. Siby had been scheduled to work that morning until another cook asked him to switch shifts.

Siby never took a restaurant job again; it would have brought back too many memories. The Ivorian immigrant wrestled with how to comprehend such horror in a country where he'd come looking for a better life.

He found it difficult to form the type of close, family-like friendships he and his Windows on the World co-workers had shared. It was too painful, he had learned, to become attached to people when “you have no control over what’s going to happen to them next.”

“Every 9/11 is a reminder of what I lost that I can never recover,” says Siby, who is now president and CEO of ROC United. The restaurant workers' advocacy group evolved from a relief center for Windows on the World workers who lost their jobs when the twin towers fell.

On Sunday, President Joe Biden plans to speak and lay a wreath at the Pentagon, while first lady Jill Biden is scheduled to speak in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where one of the hijacked planes went down after passengers and crew members tried to storm the cockpit as the hijackers headed for Washington. Al-Qaida conspirators had seized control of the jets to use them as passenger-filled missiles.

Vice President Kamala Harris and husband Doug Emhoff are due at the National Sept. 11 Memorial in New York, but by tradition, no political figures speak at the ground zero ceremony. It centers instead on victims' relatives reading aloud the names of the dead.

Readers often add personal remarks that form an alloy of American sentiments about Sept. 11 — grief, anger, toughness, appreciation for first responders and the military, appeals to patriotism, hopes for peace, occasional political barbs, and a poignant accounting of the graduations, weddings, births and daily lives that victims have missed.

Some relatives also lament that a nation which came together — to some extent — after the attacks has since splintered apart. So much so that federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, which were reshaped to focus on intern

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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyMon Sep 12, 2022 8:50 am

I don't believe the stories we were told about 9/11 .. I don't claim to know exactly what happened or why, but much of what we've been told is a lie and physically impossible for it to have happened the way they claim
... Building 7 is just one obvious example .. A building made of concrete and steel doesn't collapse straight down at freefall speed into its foundation from "furniture fires" .. It wasn't struck by anything
... Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever. There's just so much wrong with what we were told for it to be believable or even possible

Bush .. If he wasn't somehow involved, he knew about it, which is why i hate that fuck and his old man too
... Too many innocent people died for whatever shit they had going on
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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyMon Sep 12, 2022 11:13 am

We'll never know what really happened... all I know is thousands of people died and that's what I remember and reflect on.
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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyMon Sep 12, 2022 3:58 pm

oliver clotheshoffe wrote:
We'll never know what really happened...

Probably not .. But i think we deserve to know .. They've made a BFD over Jan 6, going after everyone involved and have nothing but lame excuses for 9/11 when thousands of people were killed
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all I know is thousands of people died

That's all you know? .. You accept the absurd lies we were told without question or even skepticism? .. This is why we'll never know what really happened and why
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and that's what I remember and reflect on.

"Reflect on"? .. WTF does that mean? .. We shouldn't simply accept thousands of people being killed for reasons we don't know .. It created war in the middle east where more people were killed ..

..I'm not gonna get into the obvious lies we were told right now but i believe there are people that should be held accountable ..and it isn't a handful of radical muslims
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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyMon Sep 12, 2022 9:14 pm

Grackle wrote:

That's all you know? ..

That's all I know for sure.


Grackle wrote:

You accept the absurd lies we were told without question or even skepticism?

When did I ever say I accepted anything?

"Hear everything, believe nothing" - Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #190



Grackle wrote:

"Reflect on"? .. WTF does that mean? ..

"Consider or think carefully about, as in She reflected on her country's role in history. [c. 1600] A closely related phrase is on due reflection, meaning 'after careful consideration.' For example, On due reflection I decided to vote for the incumbent" - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/reflect-on

So when I "reflect on it" I think about quite a few things but mostly about how far mankind has to go before it can truthfully call itself civilized and intelligent.
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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyTue Sep 13, 2022 1:47 am

Not. To ride up your ass about it in particular, but it's not a time for koom-,buy-ya and "reflections" about the death of thousands of innocent people... 9/11 was planned and carried out by people within our government, either willingly or not .. They knew/know about it..
... It's absurd how everyone just accepts the media narrative about it while we know the media is fulla shit.. Anyone with common sense can conclude that nothing happened the way we were told, yet it's accepted as fact anyway .. Since when does the media determine fact from fiction for us? .. It's all so obviously lies told to them told to us .. We accept the needless deaths of ally those people so as not to create a stink or be banned from social media platforms
... There is so much so seriously wrong with what happened on 9/11 and we're somehow able to overlook it all in place of the ridiculous political shit of today
..Again, somebody needs to be held accountable for 9/11 .. Attacking the middle east over it is a pathetic excuse just to attack them... Don't kill thousands of innocent Americans as an excuse to start a war
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PostSubject: Re: Never Forget, Never Surrender   Never Forget, Never Surrender EmptyTue Sep 13, 2022 8:39 am

Grackle wrote:


Not. To ride up your ass about it in particular...



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