The Trump whistleblower may not be a whistleblower at all

The Trump whistleblower may not be a whistleblower at all
By Gregg Jarrett | Fox News | 52 mins ago

Trump slams 'partisan' whistleblower complaint, says 'somebody' should investigate Biden

The president defends his conversations with world leaders and blasts Joe Biden's 'disgraceful' statement on Ukraine during an Oval Office meeting with Australian PM Scott Morrison.

The latest media mass hysteria over a whistleblower’s complaint that, according to FoxNews.com “reportedly involved allegations President Trump made a troubling and unspecified ‘promise’ to a foreign leader,” is based on precious little information. That has not stopped journalists from convicting Trump in the court of public opinion and predicting his imminent demise.

Who exactly is this unidentified “whistleblower”? What is the specific nature of his or her “urgent concern” complaint against the president? Does this complaint really qualify under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA)? These are just a few of the most fundamental questions that remain largely unknown.

Despite the paucity of facts, some reasonable observations and conclusions can be drawn.

It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was listening in on Trump’s conversation with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in? We don’t know.

This agent, who is an unelected and inferior federal employee in the government hierarchy, apparently believes that it is his/her job to second-guess the motivation behind the words of the elected president, who is the most superior officer in the U.S. government.

Article II of the Constitution gives the president sweeping power to conduct foreign affairs, negotiate with leaders of other nations, make demands or offer promises. The Constitution does not grant the power of review, approval or disapproval to spies or other unelected officials in the executive branch.

The ICWPA law defines the parameters of an “urgent concern” complaint as an abuse or violation of law “relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters.”

The president’s conversation with a foreign leader does not seem to fall under this whistleblower definition.

It appears the acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) agrees with this assessment. His agency’s general counsel wrote a letter stating the complaint did not meet the ICWPA definition because it involved conduct “from someone outside the intel community and did not relate to intelligence activity,” according to a report by Fox News. This is why the DNI refused to forward the complaint to congress.

To put this in plain language, a spy who allegedly spied on the president does not have a legitimate whistleblower complaint against that president under the law. The ICWPA is a mechanism to report alleged misconduct by members within the intelligence community, of which the president is not. Yes, the alphabet soup of intel agencies ultimately report to the president, but that does not make Trump a member of that community and subject to its rules of conduct.

So, it turns out that the “whistleblower” may not be a whistleblower at all. But you will not hear that from the mainstream media. They are too busy lighting their own hair on fire.

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So, it turns out that the “whistleblower” may not be a whistleblower at all. But you will not hear that from the mainstream media. They are too busy lighting their own hair on fire.

haha ...That's a good one ..I'll hafta to use that

If congress can't be privy to what was said there's no point in yapping about it .. Any accusation(s) will hinge on hearsay of the "whistleblower" anyway ...If they'd forward the info to congress the dems would surely leak it to the media and Trump would be found guilty in the court of public opinion, which is always the case ...It'd give the left a specific accusation to distract from their recent bumbling rather than the vague whistleblower accusation that he said something wrong to somebody somewhere, which is all they're running with now

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This will be shoved to the back page now, since troops are being deployed to Saudi Arabia, and most Americans have the attention span of a gnat coupled with the reading comprehension of a gnu.

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Sara wrote:: This will be shoved to the back page now, since troops are being deployed to Saudi Arabia, and most Americans have the attention span of a gnat coupled with the reading comprehension of a gnu.

Naww-- the whistleblower will step up, soon.
A whistleblower lawyer the best has been hired,
This is a biggie.
Nancy's plan is not to impeach but to give trump enough rope to hang himself and looks like all is going according to plan.
The more power trump takes the deeper he digs his grave.

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Temple wrote:: The more power trump takes the deeper he digs his grave.

He hasn't shot someone on 5th Ave. yet, so we'll have to wait & see.

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I heard this big whistleblower story is about somebody heard Trump tell the Ukraine president to look into Biden, his son, or some shit ...

This is an old story ... Biden's son is a fukup ..he was being prosecuted, either for his dealings with a gas company he was running over there, or another drug charge, I can't remember which

Biden was VP at the time and in Ukraine to negotiate a billion dollar loan ..He later bragged about telling the Ukrainian that if he doesn't fire the prosecutor that was prosecuting his son, they wouldn't get the billion dollars ...The prosecutor was then fired

I've known about this myself for months, so I'm sure it's not breaking news to the Ukrainians ..There's also the fishy business of the son bilking that gas company for million$ and somehow becoming the CEO in the first place ..There was some shit about China that I can't remember

....So if Trump told the Ukrainian president to look into Biden, what's the issue? ..He's prolly doing them a favor

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Grackle wrote:: So if Trump told the Ukrainian president to look into Biden, what's the issue? ..He's prolly doing them a favor

Thing is; corruption and crimes!
Trump promised to release two hundred and fifty million dollars already installed aid for Ukraine if Zelensky would launch a corruption investigation into stuff involving Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.
((putting the squeeze on a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 race. Assuming the reports are true, is a felony.

Three crimes --

One-- is extortion by the president, using a threat of withholding aid to obtain something of value.

Two-- the crime is a conspiracy to engage in extortion between the president (( throw in Rudy Giuliani.

Third-- the crime is a conspiracy to violate election law,
(Trump’s extortion of Ukraine.

If none of that happened then Trump has no reason to hide the transcript of the call if he did nothing wrong.
(Yet he is fighting to the death to make sure nobody sees it)

It all means- that he used the power and resources of America to pressure a partner/Ukrain that is under assault from Russia and he was pushing Ukraine to 'subvert' the rule of law by extorting a political favore and that's a felony.

The crimes that Trump committed are all impeachable offences. And- they could all be used in a criminal prosecution of him After he leaves office.
Each of the crimes are Felonies.
Assuming the reports are true.
And they surely seem to be, soon we will know the whistleblower will come forth eventually.

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So here I am thinkin' I missed something, and as usual, it's all speculation (prolly from the media) on what might have or could have been been heard in a phone conversation ..Where/who are "the reports" from?... ... Jumping the gun ..assuming what was said ...and why would the whistleblower "eventually" come forth? ...What's the delay?

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Grackle wrote:: See ...Again, ..this "whistleblower" has yet to come forward to say what s/he heard in a phone conversation and the media has you parroting their speculations as fact

Trump is keeping the House Intelligence Committee from getting information that it’s *entitled to get by law.

The former staff director of the House Intelligence Committee, ''no DNI has ever *prevented* a whistleblower from coming before the congressional intel committees—until now.''

If the whistleblower does come forth, they would be taking a very brave risk.

In other words, it's not doable now for the whistleblower to go before congress--

))but she or he can go to the press, but that would cause chaos...cool lol))

In time we will hear from the whistleblower just not at this moment.

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This whistleblower scandal gets better every day ...The more info that comes out the better it gets

Turns out this whistleblower DIDN'T HEAR THE PHONE CONVERSATION ..Actually the Ukraine president reached out to the U.S. to inform the administration of the corruption during the Obama admin. ....i.e. Joe Biden's "quid pro quo" demanding a prosecutor be fired or they're "not getting the money", which was when he was VP under Obama ...

The dems and the media are so anxious to take out Trump that they sound off with unsubstantiated bullshit and threats of impeachment before they have the facts and end up chewin' their own ass....Anyway ...Biden is finished ..this is an amusing read

http://patriotretort.com/whistleblowergate-detonates-over-the-wrong-target/

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Trump: "The press has had a very bad week" ..haha ...

Trump: "Keep askin' questions, keep building it up so you'll have an even bigger downfall"

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Grackle wrote:: The dems and the media are so anxious to take out Trump

The Dems are giving trump enough rope to hang himself and trump is working hard to do just that..
Near every day there is a trump criminal type scandal, eventually, there will be no coming back, perhaps the next one.
Meanwhile, they are collecting them and are on the ready.

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If you can't refute anything about the Kavanaugh debacle, that's fine ...If you'd rather carry on about the whistleblower there's a whole thread for it ...Don't hijack this one

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Temple wrote:: The Dems are giving trump enough rope to hang himself and trump is working hard to do just that..

Apparently he's not working that hard ...He's gathered three years worth of "rope" and seems to be using it to tie up the dems ..ha ..."Giving him rope" is absurd ...the guy can't fart without it being Breaking News and causing the dems to call for impeachment over it

Quote :: Near every day there is a trump criminal type scandal, eventually, there will be no coming back, perhaps the next one.

Yea, "perhaps the next one" ...Obviously this one was yet another swing and miss ...All they really did was take out Biden earlier than everyone expected

Quote :: Meanwhile, they are collecting them and are on the ready.

haa ..Meanwhile they keep throwing shit against the wall and hoping a piece will stick ...at least a kernel of corn ...somethin'[/b]

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Trump’s call to Ukraine;

Former CIA operative Robert Baer warned during a CNN interview that President Donald Trump is going to do whatever he can to hide the transcript of his call with Ukraine from ever being released. He even went so far as to speculate that there’s likely a recording of the call.

Baer; “The whistleblower wouldn’t come forward without good evidence. When you bring a charge against the president of the United States, you better be well-equipped to back that up.
Now, I don’t know whether this was an intercepted phone call of the president of Ukraine or it’s a White House transcript itself. But I would imagine this has got so much attention, there’s got to be a transcript out there.”

Retired CIA chief of Russian operations, Steve Hall, explained that there isn’t likely to be some sort of clandestine wiretap or intercept of the call. It’s likely just the information that is typically collected in each call with a foreign leader.

But more, he wanted to emphasize that the claim(deep state)by Trump is an absolute lie.
“There are conversations that are picked up in the Ukraine that could have been the source of this suspicion about what Trump said or didn’t say” he explained.
Baer agreed with Hall that there is no so-called “deep state” the United States doesn’t spy on the president.

He went on to say that the level of investigation will depend on how bad the complaint is.

“Knowing this president, if he made it explicit there’s a quid pro quo, he’s going to do his best to redact it or keep it away from Congress, because do I think this is an impeachable offense. But we do have to see the transcript. That’s absolutely key,” Baer said.

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Temple, ya know ..I know how to copy and paste too ...There's no point to that random, speculative drivel from some guest on CNN

Attorney for Ukraine “whistleblower” turns out to be a former Schumer and Hillary staffer
The Right Scoop, SEP. 24, 2019 9:00 PM

Earlier today it was revealed that the attorney for the “whistleblower” is actually a former Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton staffer:

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Whistleblower is rep'd by former Schumer and HRC staffer. That's a political football. https://compassrosepllc.com/bakaj/

Andrew P. Bakaj | Compass Rose Legal Group, PLLC
Andrew Bakaj is a former intelligence officer with CIA and now leads Compass Rose Legal Group, a Security Clearance, Federal Employment, and National Security Law Firm compassrosepllc.com

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From his bio:

Prior to joining the Department of Defense, Andrew was a private practice attorney in Washington, DC and clerked with the Department of Justice. Furthermore, he has Capitol Hill experience having served three United States Senators: Senators Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Charles E. Schumer, and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Bakaj, who used to work for the CIA and the DOJ, apparently lost his security clearance:

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More info on Bakaj

http://www.propublica.org/article/administrations-nominee-for-cia-watchdog-allegedly-misled-congress/amp …

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2:58 PM - Sep 24, 2019

The Washington Examiner had a report out earlier on this as well, titled “Ukraine whistleblower’s lawyers work for group that offers to pay officials who leak against Trump”:

The anonymous U.S. intelligence official accusing President Trump of improperly pressuring Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is represented by two lawyers who run a group that offers financial help to fired whistleblowers.

Whistleblower Aid was launched in September 2017 — eight months after Trump’s inauguration — with an advertising blitz that involved mobile billboards being driven close to the White House, Congress, outside the Pentagon, and around the headquarters of the CIA and National Security Agency.

The group’s pledge of support, in addition to free legal representation including rent and mortgage assistance, media coaching, and doctor’s bills and counseling, is controversial among lawyers. Critics say it violates attorney ethics.

Whistleblower Aid was founded by veteran national security defense attorney Mark Zaid and John Tye, a whistleblower who worked to promote internet freedom at the State Department before warning of mass surveillance during the Obama administration. Andrew Bakaj, a former CIA officer who is associated with Zaid’s firm, is also a lawyer for Whistleblower Aid.

Zaid and Bakaj represent the official who claimed whistleblower status in raising the case of the Ukraine call.

And with Bakaj’s strong connections to Democrats via Schumer and Hillary, now you know how the so-called “whistleblower” complaint surfaced to Democrats and the media last week.

Trump had said that he’d been told the “whistleblower” was a partisan and that’s exactly what this looks like.

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