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2-6-2021

Washington, D.C. right now, a grand jury has been empaneled
and is meeting to hear evidence and hand
down indictments for crimes committed on
January 6 when an enraged mob of Trump supporters
stormed the Capitol, which resulted in the death
of five people, including a police officer.

According to former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner,
one of the suspects being considered for indictment
is none other than former President Donald Trump.

Speaking with Dean Obeidallah, Kirschner explained:

“The U.S. Attorney’s office for the District of Columbia,
my former professional home for decades,
is in the grand jury aggressively investigating
the insurrection.

When Donald Trump told the crowd
to march on the Capitol, he sealed his fate.

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2-8-2021

ProPublica published more than 500 videos
taken by Parler users of the capitol/ Insurrection riot.

https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

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Subject: Re: The Insurrection Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:17 pm

https://twitter.com/MarkMeadows/status/1359567041150283777

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Whoa!
Insurrection;
The guy that sat at Pelosi desk--
Today in court - if he's found guilty
he's to get - 20 years..
and-- the prosecutors said most are to face 20 yrs, also.

0ooh and a 250, 000 fine.

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The desk guy screamed out in court "IT'S NOT FAIR".
He's pissed because the judge remanded him to jail until his trial.

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Difference Between Sedition and Treason
August 10, 2013 Posted by Admin

Key Difference – Sedition vs Treason

Treason and sedition are terms that are similar in nature and are applied to cases wherein individuals or organizations have acted in defiance of established authorities. Sedition laws have always been in place to allow governments to take coercive action against acts of defiance that are meant to overthrow them. Treason involves acting against the interests of a state and thus confuses many as to whether they should use treason or sedition in a particular context. The key difference between sedition and treason is that the sedition is a crime against one’s own state, and so is treason, but treason is considered far more serious crime than sedition. This article takes a close look at the two words, sedition and treason, to come up with their differences.

What is Sedition?

If you are doing something or saying something that is meant to overthrow the established authority in your country, you are liable to be charged with sedition. To curb their citizens from doing so, many countries of the world have sedition laws in place. In the modern world, merely criticizing the policies of the government in place cannot be treated as sedition because of the freedom of speech. But in years gone by, governments treated their own people badly if they raised their voice against their policies. In fact, anti-sedition laws have been used by some countries to persecute minorities. These laws at times became a tool in the hands of governments to suppress the voices of opposition parties.

Subversion or disrespect of the constitution is often regarded as acts of sedition. There was a time when some people in US were charged with sedition when they burned national flags to show their displeasure against the Vietnam War.

What is Treason?

Treason is a concept that overlaps with sedition. It refers to acts of brazen defiance against one’s own government in a bid to bring harm or to overthrow the government in place. If you owe allegiance to your government but do something to overthrow the government or betray your state by harming its interests and by helping an enemy state, you are liable to be charged with treason. In earlier times, a servant killing his master or a wife running away with another man were considered as examples of treason. But in modern times, the act of a citizen that helps a foreign government to overthrow the government in place is considered an act of treason. Compromising with the security interests of one’s own country by helping an enemy state is also treason. Obviously declaring a war against one’s government in place is an act of treason.

What is the difference between Sedition and Treason?

• Sedition is a crime against one’s own state, and so is treason, but treason is considered far more serious crime than sedition.

• Speaking against the government or engaging in acts of defiance are termed as sedition and anti-sedition laws are applied on such individuals or organizations.

• In modern times, freedom of speech protects the right of individuals and governments cannot take action against their citizens merely on grounds of defiance or opposition.

• Espionage and helping the enemy state to overthrow one’s own government is considered treason.

• Burning national flag was seditious act in US a few decades ago but today it has been ruled legitimate by SC as part of the freedom of speech of the citizens.

• In general, treason is a more serious offence than sedition.

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Look at this fucking guy. Thought this was an Onion article. Its not!

https://apple.news/Agi_m94TxSJyFKWpS3QavCQ

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5-25-2021

'I would willingly do it again':
Capitol rioter says Trump 'invited' him to be there.

This week, Fox 13 News interviewed Landon Copeland,
an accused Capitol rioter from Utah who made
national news after a bizarre pre-trial hearing
in which he shouted
"I object!" in response to criticisms of former
President Donald Trump and screamed that
the court clerk was "evil."

Copeland doesn't appear to have any
remorse for his actions. Indeed, he told Fox 13
that Trump invited him
to the Capitol and that he would do it all over again.

The report noted: "When asked what encouraged
Copeland
to go to Washington in January, he replied:
'Police brutality, mostly.
As for President Donald Trump, Copeland
explained, 'He invited us to be there.'"

"I do believe that the jury, whenever they stand there,
they will see me as nothing more than a soldier
trying to defend his people from the people who
were attacking them," said Copeland in the interview.
"And whatever the cost may be I would willingly do it
again for the people that I love."

Numerous Capitol rioters have used the defense
that Trump, who promoted conspiracy theories the
election was stolen for weeks, effectively gave
them permission to storm the building, although
legal experts do not believe this defense will be effective.

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5-25-2021

WSJ editorial schools Republicans on why Jan. 6 Commission
is critical to America's security.

Gerald F. Seib is the executive Washington editor for
The Wall Street Journal penned an editorial late
Tuesday night asking Republicans who oppose
the Jan. 6 Commission to think about the consequences
of not having it.

He began by explaining that there will be many investigations
into the attack on the U.S. Capitol with dozens of trials f
or attackers and congressional committees.
Not having the commission doesn't mean it's going
to disappear, far from it.

"But here's one other consequence if Washington chooses
to move down the road without such a commission:
The political system will have shown that it remains
incapable of reversing the very problems that produced the
violence in the first place—severe partisanship, rampant
mistrust of the other side, a new willingness to
question election results,"
he explained.

Seib argued that Washington will model the future off
of behaviors that led to the attack in the first place,
which could ultimately lead to another one.
Attackers have already indicated that they "would willingly do it again."

"One could make a plausible case that
the three most traumatic days in America
in the last 60 years were
___Nov. 22, 1963, the day President John Kennedy was shot;
___Sept. 11, 2001, the day terrorists struck New York and Washington;
___ Jan. 6, 2021, the day the Capitol was attacked
and democracy's work stopped by an angry mob."

He recalled that after the Kennedy assassination and
the Sept. 11 attacks commissions examined what happened and how.
Americans deserve to have the same questions answered.

Republicans are understandably afraid of the role that their own
people had in the attack and critiques of former President Donald Trump.

He explained that it was the same fears that
President Lyndon Johnson had about the Warren Commission,
that the Soviets or Cuba were involved in the assassination
and it could lead to war.
Similarly, many were concerned about the impact
the Sept. 11 Commission would have.

"But in each case, the fear of what could happen
if there wasn't an independent inquiry came to outweigh
concerns about the problems one might create.
And in the end, each panel served the principal purpose
for which it was created," he wrote.

But in each case, key takeaways helped produce
recommendations to stop future attacks.

"With a modicum of bipartisan trust, today's concerns
about a commission—particularly Republicans' understandable
worries about how its staff would be formed—could be addressed.

But that modicum of trust seems nonexistent," closed Seib.
"More likely the nation will learn the answer to the
key question: What happens if we don't do this?"

Democrats have indicated that they intend to hold
a vote on the Jan. 6 Commission this week.

Read the full editorial at the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-consequences-of-not
-creating-a-jan-6-commission-11621861473

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5-28-2021

Jan. 6th commission supporters represent 87 million more Americans
than Republicans who blocked it.

Republican senators on Friday voted to block the advancement
of a bill to establish a 9/11-style commission to investigate the
January 6th insurrection by supporters of Donald Trump seeking
to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

There was bipartisan support for a January 6th commission,
with six Republicans siding with Democrats to allow the
bill to advance to debate.
But due to the filibuster, the legislation required a supermajority
vote from 60 senators to advance the bill.

While the filibuster is an inherently undemocratic process that allows
minority rule, the vote also illustrated how the Senate violates
the principle of "one person, one vote" because--
_____ the 40 million people in California are represented by
two senators, just like Wyoming, which has less than 600,000 people.______

Berman noted that the senators who backed the commission
represent 87 million more Americans that the side that triumphed
on the floor of the Senate.

54 yes votes for 1/6 commission represent 191 million
Americans (57% of population)

35 no votes represent 104 million Americans (31% of population)

This is not how democracy supposed to work.

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5-29-2021

((whew- good thing the people atacking our capital were tourest and friendly protesters!!))

Prosecutors revealed shocking insurgent info hours before GOP killed Jan. 6th commission: report.

"Hours before Senate Republicans killed an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6th siege, federal prosecutors disclosed communications about how Oath Keepers allegedly plotted to storm Washington, D.C. with guns by boat by way of the Potomac River," Adam Klasfeld reported for Law & Crime on Friday.

"Those discussions became public in a filing seeking to maintain the strict pretrial release conditions of Oath Keepers member Thomas Caldwell, whom prosecutors allege organized a group of militia members on 'standby with guns in a hotel across the river.'

In the brief, prosecutors also alleged that a message from the militia's leader described a 'worst case scenario' where former President Donald Trump 'calls us up as part of the militia to to assist him inside DC.'

Pulling a line from one of the immortal verses of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, the extremist group's Florida chapter leader Kelly Meggs allegedly imagined the militia members as the modern day equivalent of their American colonial forebears," he explained.

Longfellow's 1861 poem "Paul Revere's Ride" describes using lanterns to signal troop movements at the start of the American revolution:

Listen, my children, and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-Five:
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

He said to his friend, "If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry-arch
Of the North-Church-tower, as a signal-light,—
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm

Meggs reportedly referenced the poem in a message sent on the group's encrypted Signal channel.

"1 if by land, North side of Lincoln Memorial
"2 if by sea, Corner of west basin and Ohio is a water transport landing !!"

In February, The New York Times was the first to report on the naval landing scheme.

"Chilling new details emerged on Thursday about the plot by the Oath Keepers militia group to attack the Capitol as prosecutors said that members discussed a brazen plan to ferry
"heavy weapons" in a boat across the Potomac River into Washington and began training sessions "for urban warfare, riot control and rescue operations" well before Election Day," the newspaper reported.

"Shortly after the three militia members were arrested last month, prosecutors said that they were some of the first rioters to have planned their part in the attack on the Capitol instead of merely storming the building spontaneously."

The new filing includes a lengthy message from Meggs to another militia leader:

Can't believe I just thought of this: how many people either in the militia or not (who are still supportive of our efforts to save the Republic) have a boat on a trailer that could handle a Potomac crossing.

If we had someone standing by at a dock ramp (one near the Pentagon for sure) we could have our Quick Response Team with the heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and ferry them across the river to our waiting arms.

I'm not talking about a bass boat. Anyone who would be interested in supporting the team this way?
I will buy the fuel.
More or less be hanging around sipping coffee and maybe scooting on the river a bit and pretending to fish, then if it all went to shit, our guy loads our weps AND Blue Ridge Militia weps and ferries them across.

Dude! If we had 2 boats, we could ferry across and never drive into D.C. at all!!!! Then get picked up.
Is there a way to PLEASE pass the word among folks you know and see if someone would jump in the middle of this to help. I am spreading the word, too. Genius if someone is willing and hasn't put their boat away for the winter.

In the filings, prosecutors included hotel surveillance video screengrabs of militia members carrying objects shaped like long-guns.

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6-10-2021

The Department of Justice announced the arrest of six members of the Three Percent militia who participated in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

According to Politico and Reuters, the indictment was handed down Wednesday and made public Thursday.

"About 30 people - including members of two other right-wing groups, The Oath Keepers and The Proud Boys - have been accused of conspiracy, the most serious charges related to the riot," said Reuters.

"Those pending cases are the largest and most complex of the roughly 500 brought by the Justice Department since the attack. The other Three Percenters charged were Eric Scott Warner, Felipe Antonio 'Tony' Martinez, Derek Kinnison and Ronald Mele."

Charges for the accused include conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an official proceeding and unauthorized entry to a Secret Service-restricted area with weapons, which is only applied to a few of the men.

Alan Hostetter and Russell Taylor were two men seen the day before the attack with Roger Stone outside of the Trump Hotel. They claimed to be providing security for Stone, who purports to be an adviser to Trump.

Hostetter was a La Habra, California police chief.

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citing the section of federal law that covers rebellion or insurrection.

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States," the law states.

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7-17-2021

Missouri paper encourages courts to throw the book at Trump insurrectionists to send a message.

Ahead of the Monday sentencing of Paul Allard Hodgkins, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is calling for the judge to impose time in prison.

"What happened on Jan. 6 wasn't just about trespassing and property damage. Anything less than prison time for anyone who participated would diminish the seriousness of a direct assault on American democracy," the editorial board wrote. "Not since the Civil War era has there been such a brazen assault on the legitimacy of the U.S. government and democracy itself."

The newspaper had harsh words for the first defendant to be sentenced.

"The 38-year-old Tampa, Florida, crane operator entered the Capitol with the mob and was photographed waving a red 'Trump' flag in the well of the Senate. It was nothing less than the desecration of a sacred spot in America's seat of government in a bid to overturn a free and fair election," the newspaper charged.

The newspaper described the insurrection as "an act of domestic terrorism aimed at undermining trust in the vote, a bedrock of America's constitutional system of government."

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8-7-2021

Former Rep. Denver Riggleman is joining the staff
of the House select committee investigating
the January 6 attack on the US Capitol,

the third Republican that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
has added to the panel that GOP leadership
has attacked as a partisan endeavor.

Riggleman -- a former Virginia congressman and
Air Force intelligence officer
will be a senior technical adviser for the committee,
according to two sources familiar with the selection.

GOP Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger
are the only Republican lawmakers
serving on the committee, which held its first hearing
late last month.

But as a former member, Riggleman brings a high profile,
and his national security background will
add additional legitimacy
to the investigation.

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8-27-2021

Trump sued by Capitol police officers over Jan. 6 attack
in lawsuit alleging ‘bias-motivated acts of terrorism.

Donald Trump is being sued by a group of seven Capitol Police
officers for his role in the January 6 insurrection in what is being called
the "most expansive civil effort to date"
to hold the former president and his associates and allies accountable.

The lawsuit accuses Trump "and nearly 20 members of
far-right extremist groups and political organizations of a plot
to disrupt the peaceful transition of power during the Capitol
riot on Jan. 6," and implicates "members of the Proud Boys, the
Oath Keepers militia and Trump associates like Roger J. Stone Jr.

Five of the seven officers are Black, The Times notes, reporting
that the lawsuit "contends that Mr. Trump and his co-defendants
violated the Ku Klux Klan Act, an 1871 statute that includes
protections against violent conspiracies that interfere with Congress's constitutional duties.
It also accuses the defendants of committing
'bias-motivated acts of terrorism' in violation of
District of Columbia law."

The Times also calls it the first lawsuit "to allege that Mr. Trump
worked in concert with both far-right extremists and political
organizers promoting his baseless lies that the presidential
election was marred by fraud."

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8-30-2021

The House insurrection committee has painted
Trump into a corner where the courts won't save him:
legal expert.

In a column for CNN, one of the legal counsels
who worked on Donald Trump's second impeachment praised the work
so far done by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6th insurrection
that led to lawmakers from both sides of the aisle fleeing for their lives.

According to Norm Eisen, who served as President Barack Obama's ethics czar,
the move by the committee to get phone records from lawmakers
and members of the Trump's family is evidence
of a "classic investigative technique" and the
former president has few legal avenues to
stop them.

Previously, when he was still president, Trump invoked executive privilege
to keep his inner circle from testifying during his two impeachment trials.

Now that he is out of office, he can attempt to
invoke it again but recent rulings by the courts
in matters involving Trump and secrecy have not gone in his favor.

Eisen noted that the Justice Department under President Joe Biden
and his Attorney General Merrick Garland have already declared that
executive privilege no longer applies and that officials called
before the committee can be expected to comply.

"The administration has waived executive privilege and allowed
former Trump administration officials
to provide testimony to Congress about the ex-president's attacks
on the 2020 election and its certification," Eisen wrote before adding,

"The US Department of Justice correctly reasoned that the
'extraordinary events in this matter
constitute exceptional circumstances [and] the congressional need
for information outweighs
the Executive Branch's interest in maintaining confidentiality.'"

Writing, "If Trump tests the committee in court,
he will find that the law of executive privilege is
not in his favor," the attorney explained,
"So, Trump could go to court and seek an
injunction, arguing that he's the owner of the privilege.
But the tenor of the law makes it likely that he would lose --
which may be why Trump did not attempt to stop those former officials
from testifying in the first place."

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10-5-2021

'God-fearing' MAGA rioter begs for mercy in sentencing
and says she's being 'shunned' in her Indiana town.

On Tuesday, NBC4 Washington reporter Scott MacFarlane, a key authority on the trials
of January 6 Capitol rioters, reported that Dona Bissey, who is accused of joining the mob breaking into the Capitol, is pleading for leniency in a hand-written letter to the court, asking for a sentence of
just 18 months probation.

In the letter, Bissey, who hails from southern Indiana, described herself as__
a "God fearing, country loving, law abiding, hard working Patriot" who "attended several of Pres. Trump's events without incident."

She says that after her role in the insurrection became public, her hair salon suffered
"huge losses" and she is being "shunned"
by the people in her small town.

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10-29-2021

Two dozen Republicans call out Trump for
'likely central' role in Capitol insurrection.

Two dozen Republicans are among 66 former members of Congress who've signed a brief urging
a federal judge to reject Donald Trump's efforts to block a House committee from accessing the former president's White House records.

Politico reported Thursday night that the brief "contends that no possible argument about executive privilege could overcome Congress' need for documents to probe the violent attack on the Capitol — one fueled by Trump's false claim that the 2020 election was stolen."

"From what is publicly known, it is clear that Donald Trump played an outsized — and likely central role in orchestrating the events that gave rise to the January 6th attack," states the brief, which was expected to be filed Friday.

"And many, and perhaps most, of the various means he used or contemplated are documented in the records the Committee seeks and are still not known."
The brief, filed under the umbrella of Protect Democracy, further alleges that "Trump's ability to assert executive privilege is limited to acts he took in his official capacity as president — not in service of his reelection or private campaign-related business," according to Politico.

"Senate Minority Leader McConnell explained, the efforts to overturn the election were not the official acts of a President; they were 'a disgraceful dereliction of duty,'" the brief states.

"The executive privilege does not apply, thus ending the inquiry and dooming the motion presently before the Court."

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