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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:12 pm
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:16 pm
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:21 pm
Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 12/16/19 12:00 PM EST
The decision by the Supreme Court to review the lower court rulings involving congressional and prosecution subpoenas directed toward President Trump undercuts the second article of impeachment that passed the House Judiciary Committee along party lines last week.
That second article of impeachment charges President Trump with obstruction of Congress for refusing to comply with the congressional subpoenas in the absence of a final court order. In so charging him, the House Judiciary Committee has arrogated to itself the power to decide the validity of subpoenas, and the power to determine whether claims of executive privilege must be recognized, both authorities that properly belong with the judicial branch of our government, not the legislative branch. The House of Representatives will do likewise, when it votes to approve the articles, as the chamber is expected to do so Wednesday.
President Trump has asserted that the executive branch, of which he is the head, need not comply with congressional subpoenas requiring the production of privileged executive material, unless there is a final court order compelling such production. He has argued, appropriately, that the judicial branch is the ultimate arbiter of conflicts between the legislative and executive branches. Therefore, the Supreme Court decision to review these three cases, in which lower courts ruled against President Trump, provides support for his constitutional arguments in the investigation.
The cases that are being reviewed are not identical to the challenged subpoenas that form the basis for the second article of impeachment. One involves authority of the New York district attorney to subpoena the financial records of a sitting president, as part of any potential criminal investigation. The others involve authority of legislative committees to subpoena records as part of any ongoing congressional investigations.
But they are close enough. Even if the high court were eventually to rule against the claims by President Trump, the fact that the justices decided to hear them, in effect, supports his constitutional contention that he had the right to challenge congressional subpoenas in court, or to demand that those issuing the subpoenas seek to enforce them through court.
It undercuts the contention by House Democrats that President Trump committed an impeachable offense by insisting on a court order before sending possibly privileged material to Congress. Even before the justices granted review of these cases, the two articles of impeachment had no basis in the Constitution. They were a reflection of the comparative voting power of the two parties, precisely what one of the founders, Alexander Hamilton, warned would be the “greatest danger” of an impeachment.
House Democrats should seriously consider dropping this second article in light of the recent Supreme Court action. In fairness, this development involving the high court occurred after Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee made up their minds to include obstruction of Congress as an impeachment article. Yet the new circumstances give some Democratic members of Congress, who may end up paying an electoral price if they support the House Judiciary Committee recommendation, meaningful reason for voting against at least one of the articles of impeachment.
It would be a smart way out for those Democrats. More important, it would be the right thing for them to do. It would be smart and right because, as matters now stand, the entire process smacks of partisanship, with little concern for the precedential impact which these articles could have on future impeachments. If a few more Democrats voted in a way that would demonstrate greater nuanced recognition that, at the least, the second article of impeachment represents an overreach based on current law, it would lend an aura of some nonpartisan legitimacy to the proceedings.
The first article goes too far in authorizing impeachment based on the vague criterion of abuse of power. But it is the second article that truly endangers our system of checks and balances and the important role of the courts as the umpires between the legislative and executive branches under the Constitution. It would serve the national interest for thoughtful and independent minded Democrats to join Republicans in voting against the second article of impeachment, even if they wrongly vote for the first.
That's exactly what he does ... ya don't need a crystal ball to predict the floundering dumfukery of the democrats ...his reference to "conspiracy theories" is his argument against republicans calling Schiff, the Bidens, the whistleblower, or anyone else they might wanna call ...He wants republicans to limit their witnesses to the ones he wants ...Sorry Chuckie boi ...it doesn't work like that
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:05 pm
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:10 pm
Impeachment BACKFIRE Gets WORSE As Trump now DEFEATS Every 2020 Democrat In Major Polling.
The latest poll from USA Today and Suffolk University has Trump defeating every major 2020 democrat. This news follows other polls showing that in swing states impeachment had backfired on Democrats putting Trump ahead of the top democrats in those states.
The trend continues as polls now favor Trump and with all the bad that has happened it seems that Democrat boarded a train they cant get off of. Impeachment momentum is too strong to be stopped even though it consistently backfires on Democrats is very bad ways.
Republicans and Trump have been able to fund raise off impeachment and rally their base meanwhile Democrats are losing support nationwide.
The question is why won't they stop? Moderate democrats are all starting to come out in favor of Trump impeachment even though their districts oppose it, even though its opposed nationwide.
It seems that Democrats do not have the ability to plan effectively. Its why they lost to Trump in 2016 and its why they are losing to him now.
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:56 pm
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Even before the justices granted review of these cases, the two articles of impeachment had no basis in the Constitution.
heh .. Democrats have been waving the constitution around on the media as if no one else has ever read any of it ..It's their motive for the impeachment ...they hafta "protect" it ... That, and "our democracy" ...They're very sad and prayerful about it, but they absolutely hafta impeach Trump ...Tryna come off like they're saving the fuk'n country ..ha
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They were a reflection of the comparative voting power of the two parties, precisely what one of the founders, Alexander Hamilton, warned would be the “greatest danger” of an impeachment.
Exactly ... as soon as they won house majority they started throwin' their weight around, and all that flaccid 'weight' has gone towards getting ridda Trump, and they haven't done jackshit else ...They figured with the support of the media parroting their bullshit that the people would fall in step with them, which shows how detached they are from Americans in general
This whole impeachment debacle has turned into a bumbling sideshow and makes the dems look completely incompetent ..I predict it'll lose any hope for the presidency for them as well as the house ...Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Nadler, etc.. the lotta them should all lose their jobs
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:59 pm
trump Will be impeached.. if republican want to absolutely prove is innocence the need to play it out call the witnesses, prove it.. they can not- so they won't. If republicans had it in the bag they would flaunt it they just site procedure that's all they have they would call the witness to prove trump innocence, they can not.
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:30 pm
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trump Will be impeached..
That and a dollar might buy you a coffee now that democrats have trivialized it by turning it into another (failed) political stunt .. People don't even care anymore
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if republican want to absolutely prove is innocence the need to play it out call the witnesses, prove it..
I'm not gonna walk you through it again ... The burden of proof is on the prosecution, which is the democrats in this case ... Nobody has to prove their innocence ...Not here in the U.S. of A
Dems have had more than ample chance to prove their case ..They've run the entire shitshow since day one .. They've called their witnesses, they've made their speeches ..Republicans are not obligated to prove innocence to them ... they don't hafta play their stupid fuk'n game ..suck it up
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:34 pm
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:00 pm
you're actually watching that piss fight.. I had time; I was home waiting to go pick up the kids from a Christmas party,, so-- tv time I spent about 10 mins watching that and then I clicked out and watched Judge Judy.. just impeach the fuk.. Impeach him, be done with it.
settle it all in the trial, if, the Republicans will hold a trial.
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:27 pm
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you're actually watching that piss fight..
You're actually that ignorant of youtube? .. You can get videos of portions of those hearings without watching it all godam day
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settle it all in the trial, if, the Republicans will hold a trial.
There's nothing to 'settle' in a trial .. house dems have majority and impeached him, the senate will aquit and he'll finish his term and likely be reelected ... I can't fathom why you fools think that any witnesses the republicans call would somehow help the democrats
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:05 pm
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[I can't fathom why you fools think that any witnesses the republicans call would somehow help the democrats [/b]
These 3 Need to be called, they know most all. The 3 will distroy trump that's why trump has fought to the death to not have them testify.. Mitch knows if they were to testify, trump would be ousted.. if they could save trump they would have testified long ago.
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:45 pm
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These 3 Need to be called, they know most all.
You don't know what they know or don't know ...democrats shoulda called them if it's so important ..Trump was impeached without them, so what's the biggie?
If they refused to appear for subpoenas, dems coulda referred it to the courts to make them comply, "or else" .. They were in a rush ..so ...*shrug* .. Maybe they just figured the impeachment was bullshit ... Bolton was fired so he had no reason to protect Trump
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that's why trump has fought to the death to not have them testify..
I don't recall any fight to the death ...just a lotta sniveling about republicans not answering to subpoenas
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Mitch knows if they were to testify, trump would be ousted.. if they could save trump they would have testified long ago.
So you're claiming again to know what they know? .. Did you hear it from CNN, MSNBC, or one of the rags from which you copy your articles? ...How would they know what these 3 know? .. Once again, another ploy by democrats to claim republicans are hiding something ..You can all ratchet jaw about that for another 5 years ...The deed is done ..Trump is impeached and still the left whines about not getting what they want ... If they didn't see the outcome of all this, then they're idiots
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Subject: ------ Trum & Ukraine ------ Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:26 pm
This is bad-- trumps is going down--
White House ordered Pentagon to withhold Ukraine aid two hours after Trump got off the phone with Zelensky:
Newly-released and heavily-redacted memos from Office of Management and Budget national security official Mike Duffey reveal that the White House ordered the Pentagon to shut off military aid to Ukraine less than two hours after President Donald Trump got off the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25.
The memos, made public by the Center for Public Integrity, were released by the Trump administration late Friday night, as part of a court order in the wake of impeachment advancing to a Senate trial.
According to former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Joel Rubin, “This email makes clear that the White House intentionally violated the law by not notifying Congress about the Ukraine aid hold” because it “states that only those who ‘execute’ the spending — i.e. the Pentagon — are to be made aware of the hold. Not Congress.”
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:15 pm
From the article'
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The narrative was designed to back Democrat claims of a ‘quid pro quo’ related to Joe and Hunter Biden’s corruption in that country.
However, the Office of Management and Budget has refuted those claims. The OMB released a real timeline of events, which showed military aid had been frozen days before the July phone call and released weeks after.
Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:36 pm
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From the article'
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The narrative was designed to back Democrat claims of a ‘quid pro quo’ related to Joe and Hunter Biden’s corruption in that country.
However, the Office of Management and Budget has refuted those claims. The OMB released a real timeline of events, which showed military aid had been frozen days before the July phone call and released weeks after.
they should 'testify' to clear trump, yes. or- perhaps it is not as it seems to be, or they would testify to back trump on his inocense.
ALL the trumps people that are forbidden to testify, could clear trump quite quickly declaring trump innocent as trump yells he's innocent a 10000 times a day.. great.. have them testify to proclaim his innocence.
if they were to testify on his behalf,that would be good. but- trumps forbids them to honor subpoenas and testify.. --thats strange, indeed..
Trump is ‘fearful of the truth’ and doesn’t want America to know what his own officials have on him
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 pm
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they should 'testify' to clear trump, yes. or- perhaps it is not as it seems to be, or they would testify to back trump on his inocense.
Another left wing media narrative debunked and instead of addressing that/the point, you parrot a democrat talking point
You really don't get it .. Nobody in this country needs to prove themselves innocent of anything .. Democrats accused Trump of crimes .. they had an inquiry and judicial hearings to investigate and determine the crimes he allegedly committed ...
After *changing* the allegations several times they decided on the articles with which to charge him, put them to a vote in the house and dems voted almost unanimously to impeach, which indicates they have plenty of evidence .. Now, after they voted to impeach, they decide they need more evidence and demand that certain witnesses be called, which they claim will make their case
You don't comprehend that the burden of proof is on the democrats and Trump/republicans/nobody is under any obligation to prove his innocence ..It's simply not how shit works in this country ...If democrats don't have the evidence they need to convict him they shouldn't have voted to impeach ...Since they *did* it's now their obligation to prove their case at a trial ..
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:34 pm
trump should testify, tell the world he's innocent. if Mulvany can testify to trumps innocents then let him testify. The only reason, he hasn't allowed Movany and the others not to testify is - trump doesn't want his of his corruption known.
trump is fighting to the death to not have them testify.. that speaks for itself.. 1-he allows them to testify to his innocents 2- he forbids them to tell the truth; trump is guilty.
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:12 pm
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trump is fighting to the death to not have them testify.. that speaks for itself..
No such drama happening ...Democrats want a do-over because their 'evidence' is so shoddy .. They voted to impeach based on the evidence of their witnesses ..now they demand more witnesses at a trial to prove his innocence of the crimes they've alleged and impeached him for
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1-he allows them to testify to his innocents
Not at all necessary ...due process and all
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2- he forbids them to tell the truth; trump is guilty.
Your skull is thick as a brick .. You have no clue what any "truth" could possibly be ..nor do the democrats for that matter ... The dems have found him guilty with their vote to impeach, which was based on their own witness testimony and evidence ...The senate trial is to determine whether to acquit, convict, and/or remove him from office ... We all knew the outcome of that from the beginning of this whole political charade ... Why didn't/don't you? ...
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:07 am
...Aaannd the show goes on ... They wanna impeach Trump a 2nd time .. Dumber yet, the 2nd impeachment will be based on the Mueller crap .. They wanna rehash that ...and they claim Trump is mentally ill ... WoW
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:13 am
sigh.. they're currently suing to get access to more grand jury materials from the Robert Mueller investigation to ADD another Article to the impeachment articles.
the articles have not been turned in, yet.. more can be added.
it is Not, a second trial (ferfukin braindead)
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:43 am
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they're currently suing to get access to more grand jury materials from the Robert Mueller investigation to ADD another Article to the impeachment articles.
Ain't happening ...As I've told you 100 times, they're not entitled to grand jury transcripts .. why the fuck you think they didn't get them during their floundering with the Mueller report? ...Why didn't they get them during their inquiry and/or the judiciary hearings? ...They couldn't impeach him over the Mueller bullshit then, and they can't do it now
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the articles have not been turned in, yet.. more can be added.
Does the MSN tell you weirdos this shit? ... They voted to impeach on the 2 articles .. they can't add more charges from a case they failed to make in the past ... and since they don't know what's in the grand jury transcripts only proves it's an impeachment looking for a crime
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it is Not, a second trial (ferfukin braindead)
Nobody mentioned a 2nd trial .. They wanna impeach him again with the shit from the Mueller probe .. pay attention ... Tim Pool is reading from one of your lefty rags on the video ... If you're not gonna view what's posted you need to STFU and shuffle along .. how many times you need to chew your own ass before you take that advise?
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:11 pm
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Nobody mentioned a 2nd trial .. They wanna impeach him again with the shit from the Mueller probe .. pay attention ... Tim Pool is reading from one of your lefty rags on the video ... If you're not gonna view what's posted you need to STFU and shuffle along .. how many times you need to chew your own ass before you take that advise? [/b]
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...Aaannd the show goes on ... They wanna impeach Trump a 2nd time .. Dumber yet, the 2nd impeachment will be based on the Mueller crap .. They wanna rehash that ...and they claim Trump is mentally ill ... WoW
fukin braindead simpleton.... you mentioned a ''second trial'' sigh..
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Subject: Re: Public Impeachment Hearings Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:01 pm
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fukin braindead simpleton.... you mentioned a ''second trial'' sigh..
haha ... You quoted the text yourself .. it's only a few lines .. Mull through it again and quote where I mentioned anything about a "second trial" ... You can't accuse me of editing my post to delete any such mention cuz you already have it quoted .. ...
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