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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:58 pm
Here's what you quoted from me
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Do you think the FBI became concernYou think republicans demanded them? ..
Now does that look like what i wrote? .. Dumbass
Grackle
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:11 pm
Let me help you .. Here's the sentence before your edit
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Do you think the FBI became concerned and took it upon themselves to raid Trump's home to get them? ..
That easier for you, Goober? ~~"One of this things is not like the other ...One of these things doesn't belong"~~.. Sing the song, Temple .. It will help you understand and feel better
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:39 pm
Temple wrote:
Sorry-- you are stupidly wrong..
Obviously I'm not wrong
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I have never changed a person's words, ever..
Obviously you have
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You best check yourself..
ok. ..(-checking myself-) .. No problem here .. All is well and as it should be .. Now you
The Wise And Powerful Admin
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:40 pm
FBI search warrant shows Trump under investigation for potential obstruction of justice, Espionage Act violations Betsy Woodruff Swan, Kyle Cheney and Nicholas Wu, Politico Fri, August 12, 2022 at 1:03 PM·2 min read
A search warrant newly unsealed on Friday reveals that the FBI is investigating Donald Trump for a potential violation of the Espionage Act and removed classified documents from the former president’s Florida estate earlier this week.
A receipt accompanying the search warrant, viewed by POLITICO in advance of its unsealing, shows that Trump possessed documents including a handwritten note; documents marked with “TS/SCI,” which indicates one of the highest levels of government classification; and another item labeled “Info re: President of France.”
Also among the items taken from Mar-a-Lago this week: An item labeled “Executive grant of clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr.,” a reference to one of Trump’s closest confidants who received a pardon in late 2020.
The warrant shows federal law enforcement was investigating Trump for removal or destruction of records, obstruction of justice and violating the Espionage Act — which can encompass crimes beyond spying, such as the refusal to return national security documents upon request. Conviction under the statutes can result in imprisonment or fines.
The documents, unsealed after the Justice Department sought their public disclosure amid relentless attacks by Trump and his GOP allies, underscore the extraordinary national security threat that federal investigators believed the missing documents presented. The concern grew so acute that Attorney General Merrick Garland approved the unprecedented search of Trump’s estate last week.
The disclosure of the documents comes four days after Trump publicly confirmed the court-authorized search of his Mar-a-Lago home by the FBI, marshaling his political allies to unleash fierce criticism of federal investigators. But the details in the warrant underscore the gravity of the probe — an unprecedented investigation of a former president for mishandling some of the nation’s most sensitive secrets.
Trump has claimed since Monday that he has cooperated with investigators from the National Archives and FBI for months and that the unannounced search was an unnecessary escalation. But after several rounds of negotiations in which materials were recovered by the Archives, federal investigators came to believe Trump hadn’t returned everything in his possession.
The search warrant, signed on Aug. 5 by federal magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart, revealed that dozens of items were seized, most of them described in vague terms like “leatherbound box of documents,” “binder of photos” and “handwritten note.”
Other items on the list indicate the presence of classified material, describing them as “miscellaneous top secret documents” and “miscellaneous confidential documents.”
Stone's attorney Grant Smith said.
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:08 pm
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:32 am
Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:09 pm
WHAT LAWS MAY TRUMP HAVE BROKEN?
The warrant gave prosecutors the right to seize records containing evidence in violation of three laws, with code numbers 793, 2071 and 1519.
While the list of items agents took from Mar-a-Lago notes that many of the documents were classified, those three laws deal with mishandling of federal government records regardless of whether or not they are classified.
The law with number 793 prevents unauthorized possession of national defense information, without mentioning whether the records are classified or not. It is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
That law was initially passed under the 1917 Espionage Act, which predates the statutory classification system.
The other laws, 2071 and 1519, make it illegal to conceal or destroy official U.S. documents. They are punishable by up to three and 20 years in prison, respectively. Neither law requires the information in question to be classified.
To obtain the warrant, prosecutors had to persuade a judge they had probable cause to believe the laws may have been violated. Trump has not been charged with any crimes.
DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER THE DOCUMENTS WERE CLASSIFIED OR NOT?
Federal law makes it illegal to intentionally take classified documents to an unauthorized location, but that law was not among the three cited in the search warrant. That means whether or not the documents were classified has no bearing on those charges.
Trump in 2018 signed a change in the law which increased the maximum prison term for individuals convicted of mishandling classified information from one to five years.
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:46 pm
FBI seized privileged Trump records during raid
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:33 am
So what did they find? Nothing? Yeah that's what I figured.
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:33 pm
Kamala Harris unboxes the evidence from Trump Raid
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:54 pm
oliver clotheshoffe wrote:
Kamala Harris unboxes the evidence from Trump Raid
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Grackle
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:48 pm
That laugh sounds just like her
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:52 pm
Federal law makes it illegal to intentionally take classified documents to an unauthorized location, but that law was not among the three cited in the search warrant. That means whether or not the documents were classified has no bearing on those charges.
Trump in 2018 signed a change in the law which increased the maximum prison term for individuals convicted of mishandling classified information from one to five years.
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:48 pm
Temple wrote:
That law was initially passed under the 1917 Espionage Act, which predates the statutory classification system.
Holy shit are you telling me the democrats had to go back 105 years to try and get something on Trump
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:05 pm
oliver clotheshoffe wrote:
Temple wrote:
That law was initially passed under the 1917 Espionage Act, which predates the statutory classification system.
Holy shit are you telling me the democrats had to go back 105 years to try and get something on Trump
Since 1917-- That law was for all, republicans or democrats.. For all that engaged in Any form of espionage.. trump may well be 1st to do so.. it is the way it is--
Gino Donatelli Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:27 pm
Pretty much a another thing against Trump that will fall flat. They can indict but they have to convict. If all they want is to stop him from running they better make it quick because if he runs and wins the democrats/liberals will have to keep crying for 4 more years. We already know how the Democrats are trying to take the country down the socialist dirt road to nowhere. I personally hope it all blows up in their face like a money shot, although for the libs they may find that scenario pleasurable and appealing.
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:07 pm
DEMOCRATS DIGGING FOR DIRT ON TRUMP
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:10 pm
Gino Donatelli wrote:
Pretty much a another thing against Trump that will fall flat. They can indict but they have to convict. If all they want is to stop him from running they better make it quick because if he runs and wins the democrats/liberals will have to keep crying for 4 more years. We already know how the Democrats are trying to take the country down the socialist dirt road to nowhere. I personally hope it all blows up in their face like a money shot, although for the libs they may find that scenario pleasurable and appealing.
They're been trying for what, eight years now to take down Trump? They haven't pulled it off yet and I don't see much hope for them pulling it off in the future. But they'll keep trying so they can keep the news flooded with Trump stories in a desperate attempt to deflect attention off Biden's failures. Notice how Biden never appears in the news? It's not by accident.
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:38 am
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:41 am
Trump And His Family Watched FBI Raid on CCTV, Lawyer Reveals Jon Dougherty, August 14, 2022
One of former President Donald Trump’s attorneys has revealed new details regarding the raid on his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., early last week.
Lawyer Christina Bobb said that the former president and many family members watched the FBI during “the whole” raid, meaning that they likely would have been able to see if agents planted any evidence, as Trump suggested last week.
“It’s kind of funny. I think the folks in New York, President Trump and his family, probably had a better view than I did because they had the CCTV, they were able to watch,” Bobb told the streaming network Real America’s Voice, according to the New York Post.
“I was, you know, I was stuck in the parking lot there to you know, collect paper and answer questions,” she added. “But they were actually able to see the whole thing. So they actually have a better idea of what took place inside.”
Bobb said that the FBI had initially instructed Trump’s staff and his attorneys to shut off the closed circuit TV security system, but they refused to do so and allowed it to remain in operation the entire raid.
Since last Monday’s raid, Trump has repeatedly said that it is possible that the FBI could have planted evidence in order to give Joe Biden’s Justice Department something to charge him with since, as others have speculated, the partisan Jan. 6 Committee hearings have yet to produce anything significant.
“The FBI and others from the Federal Government would not let anyone, including my lawyers, be anywhere near the areas that were rummaged and otherwise looked at during the raid on Mar-a-Lago,” Trump wrote on Truth Social last week, The Post noted.
“Everyone was asked to leave the premises, they wanted to be left alone, without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, ‘planting.’ Why did they STRONGLY insist on having nobody watching them, everybody out? Obama and Clinton were never ‘raided,’ despite big disputes!” he added.
Trump was physically in New York City when the raid took place. Neither he nor any of his family have publicly said they were able to watch the raid as it unfolded.
The Post added:
Bobb’s revelation came hours after Attorney General Merrick Garland said the Department of Justice wants to unseal the search warrant and the property receipt listing the items seized from Mar-a-Lago – barring any objection from Trump or his legal team.
The former president enthusiastically encouraged the unsealing of the documents late Thursday. However, his lawyers will still have to formally inform US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart by 3 p.m. Friday that they have no objection to the release.
In the days after the raid, Trump said his polling numbers have gone up the most in recent months while GOP fundraising has increased as well.
“My poll numbers are the strongest they have ever been, fundraising by the Republican Party is breaking all records, and midterm elections are fast approaching. This unprecedented political weaponization of law enforcement is inappropriate and highly unethical. The world is watching as our Country is being brought to a new low, not only on our border, crime, economy, energy, national security, and so much more, but also with respect to our sacred elections!” he wrote on Truth Social, adding: “Release the documents now!”
“Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unAmerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home in Palm Beach, Florida, Mar-a-Lago, I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents, even though they have been drawn up by radical left Democrats and possible future political opponents, who have a strong and powerful vested interest in attacking me, much as they have done for the last 6 year,” Trump added in a separate post
oliver clotheshoffe Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:39 pm
JUST KEEP GOING BACK TEMPLE
YOU'LL FIND IT
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:30 pm
Sorting through a litany of shifting justifications for Trump's possession of those documents.
"I didn't take the documents, but if I did take the documents, they weren't classified, and if they were classified__then they were planted, and if they weren't, I declassified them, and if I didn't, then it's a hoax." "If it is not a hoax, Obama did it.'' __
He keeps changing, he keeps going through the lies. You know, first, he said he was working and cooperating with government agents, then, when we found out the truth about that he didn't return all boxes of files to the second subporiona and the he said the agents planted it. Finally, he started lying saying he declassified them."
"Then on Sunday, on the Sunday shows, after all of these different stories didn't line up, after all of the lies that he had thrown out there and all of the you know what thrown against the wall didn't line up, then he had former aides go on TV and start a new round of lies."
"One saying, well, he was in a rush, he was packing, he didn't know whether he was going to leave or not. Then when he found out he was going to leave the White House -- I'm not sure why he didn't know that he was leaving the White House.
He lost by millions and millions of votes, lost by what he called his own victory, lost by the same number, which he said was one of the greatest landslides in American history, the Electoral College count."
Gino Donatelli Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:55 pm
Temple wrote:
Sorting through a litany of shifting justifications for Trump's possession of those documents.
"I didn't take the documents, but if I did take the documents, they weren't classified, and if they were classified__then they were planted, and if they weren't, I declassified them, and if I didn't, then it's a hoax." "If it is not a hoax, Obama did it.'' __
He keeps changing, he keeps going through the lies. You know, first, he said he was working and cooperating with government agents, then, when we found out the truth about that he didn't return all boxes of files to the second subporiona and the he said the agents planted it. Finally, he started lying saying he declassified them."
"Then on Sunday, on the Sunday shows, after all of these different stories didn't line up, after all of the lies that he had thrown out there and all of the you know what thrown against the wall didn't line up, then he had former aides go on TV and start a new round of lies."
"One saying, well, he was in a rush, he was packing, he didn't know whether he was going to leave or not. Then when he found out he was going to leave the White House -- I'm not sure why he didn't know that he was leaving the White House.
He lost by millions and millions of votes, lost by what he called his own victory, lost by the same number, which he said was one of the greatest landslides in American history, the Electoral College count."
You watch way to much TV. You a cripple? Asking for my friend Jim.
Temple Regular Member
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:32 pm
Gino Donatelli wrote:
Temple wrote:
Sorting through a litany of shifting justifications for Trump's possession of those documents.
"I didn't take the documents, but if I did take the documents, they weren't classified, and if they were classified__then they were planted, and if they weren't, I declassified them, and if I didn't, then it's a hoax." "If it is not a hoax, Obama did it.'' __
He keeps changing, he keeps going through the lies. You know, first, he said he was working and cooperating with government agents, then, when we found out the truth about that he didn't return all boxes of files to the second subporiona and the he said the agents planted it. Finally, he started lying saying he declassified them."
"Then on Sunday, on the Sunday shows, after all of these different stories didn't line up, after all of the lies that he had thrown out there and all of the you know what thrown against the wall didn't line up, then he had former aides go on TV and start a new round of lies."
"One saying, well, he was in a rush, he was packing, he didn't know whether he was going to leave or not. Then when he found out he was going to leave the White House -- I'm not sure why he didn't know that he was leaving the White House.
He lost by millions and millions of votes, lost by what he called his own victory, lost by the same number, which he said was one of the greatest landslides in American history, the Electoral College count."
You watch way to much TV. You a cripple? Asking for my friend Jim.
I do not watch much TV.. I read-- It's obvious that I'm the only one that reads, actually.. Amazing you haven't grown and advanced yourself from being a mischievous troll .. An aged old troll in 2022, is amazing indeed that they or one still exists and is still living in the 90's.. Bless your heart..
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Subject: Re: The FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home